Anyone load the Bayou Coated 124 gr RN 9mm bullet? COAL?

Rule3 · Jul 27, 2014

This bullet is much different than the MBC 124 gr RN which I have to load real short to fit my CZ.

The Bayou bullet has more of a point and a small driving band above the empty lube groove.

I can plunk test it really long but it just don't look right. I seated it to just a bit of the driving bad showing. Comes to 1.150"

Anyone load this and come close to the COAL?

Thanks

H Richard · Jul 27, 2014

Yes. I loaded at an OAL of 1.118". I had my loader set up to load my previous batch of cast bullets at 1.115 and the slightly different nose shape resulted in this minor variation. I shoot these through both a S&W M&P Shield and a RIA Compact Tactical.

I very recently started testing these bullets and have only run one batch with the exact practice load as my cast bullets and the velocity was was about 35 fps lower than the cast bullet load. It does shoot to the same POI, but did not group as well. I have loaded a couple other small (10 round) batch's at .2 gr and .4 gr. greater load, but have not had time to shoot for group and chrono yet. This is my first trial with a coated bullet, and the jury is still out if I think they are worth it. They are cleaner to handle and load, and are not as smokey to shoot (I normally load with 231).

Moonman · Jul 27, 2014

I just the other day finished shooting some Bayou 124 RN
in my 9 MM CZ P-01, and due to it's short chamber the safe C.O.L.
I had to use was 1.135/1.140.

********Note!***********

SWITCHING TO A BAYOU 115 RN and I had to really shorten the C.O.L.
My CZ Compact P-01 NEEDS a 1.060 C.O.L. with the 115 RN

I used VV N-320 for powder and had to reduce the charge from
Vhitavouri's published data as they use 1.142 C.O.L. or so for about
everything.

Bayou's 147 gr RNFP I can shoot with a C.O.L. of 1.130/1.135
in the same firearm (CZ Compact P-01).

H Richard · Jul 27, 2014

Moonman, what is your finding and opinion of the 147 gr.?

forestswin · Jul 27, 2014

that bayou bullet looks just like the one I use

boatbum posted a picture of the Hensley & Gibbs #115 /331
it appears to be the same bullet.
see this thread - post #5
http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/295816-load-data-hensley-gibbs-115-a.html

I seat mine to a COL of 1.13". that has the top of the driving band just a finger nail thickness above the case. like this

So, maybe they are a little different.
My Model 59 does great with it - but as we discussed before - it eats about anything.

also see this thread:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/299170-9mm-124gr-rnbb.html

Rule 3 and others left some good advice there

Rule3 · Jul 27, 2014

Wow, your COL are shorter than mine. But in the ballpark.

With My CZ 75 SP01 Shadow Custom I had to use the 1.060 COL with the MBC RB bullets. These Bayous do not hang up in the chamber/leade like those do.

I will see how the drop in the Shield also,

H Richard, you must be all the way to the end of the driving band then??

H Richard · Jul 27, 2014

No, I have a small amount of driving band showing.

Rule3 · Jul 27, 2014

forestswin said:
that bayou bullet looks just like the one I use

boatbum posted a picture of the Hensley & Gibbs #115 /331
it appears to be the same bullet.
see this thread - post #5
http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/295816-load-data-hensley-gibbs-115-a.html

I seat mine to a COL of 1.13". that has the top of the driving band just a finger nail thickness above the case. So, maybe they are a little different.
My Model 59 does great with it - but as we discussed before - it eats about anything.

also see this thread:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/reloading/299170-9mm-124gr-rnbb.html

Rule 3 and others left some good advice there

Now that's funny!!

That guy still had some brain cells back then. Once they start going it's a rapid decline!

(I just need confirmation these days)

Moonman · Jul 27, 2014

H Richard,

I only shoot indoors, and I like the Bayou 147 RNFP,

My CZ SP-01 Target built by David Milan at Cajun Gun Works likes it too.

I just started recently experimenting with Donnie's finished projectiles,
I coat my own casts with the HI-TEK coatings product from Donnie.

I think some of the Australian guys like the 147's and even the 160 projectile. They play with power factors and easy shooting.

Rule3 · Jul 27, 2014

The BURN TEST!

Just for kicks I wanted to see how tough this coating is.

I took one bullet and smashed/squeezed it with heavy pliers. The coating did not flake off. Pieces of lead with the coating attached come off.

Took another bullet put it on the concrete and took a propane torch to it. A very pointed flame concentrated towards the top. It made a pin hole and the lead melted inside and came out the small hole but basically the coating remained intact, the shape of the bullet.

I pushed it with a screwdriver and the coating remained solid in the pool of lead.

Should hold up very well shooting as no way it gets that hot!.

Moonman · Jul 27, 2014

Rule3,

When the self caster decides to coat with HI-TEK. He Coats and Bakes then performs two tests on his batch.

1) Acetone "WIPE TEST", if colors wipes, put them bake to bake longer, the CATALYST has not reached sufficient temperature to go OFF.

2) "THE SMASH TEST" with a hammer or small sledge, SMASH a projectile down to the thickness of a coin, if it FLAKES ANY, same as above.

If all fail, just RECAST, the HI-TEK floats on top of the melt, you just skim it off, THEN,

You go back and examine your process, mix ratios, and ACETONE.

Bad or Water Contaminated Acetone will cause the coating to fail.

The NEW Dry Power Mixes are now in the USA, Color & Catalyst are already mixed in dry form.

This eliminates ONE variable, but BAD ACETONE is the biggest concern to the self coater.

It's easier to do what you did, Call BAYOU Bullets, or SNS Casting, Gateway Bullets, LNL Casting, BBI and purchase finished coated projectiles,

AND JUST LOAD EM' UP.

There is a YouTube video showing what you did.
It has a lead projectile and a coated lead projectile in a spoon,
Heat from a torch is applied to the bottom of the spoon,

Plain Lead Melts, The Coated remains the same shape, although its interior has actually melted.

forestswin · Jul 27, 2014

Rule3 said:
Just for kicks I wanted to see how tough this coating is.

I took one bullet and smashed/squeezed it with heavy pliers. The coating did not flake off. Pieces of lead with the coating attached come off.

Took another bullet put it on the concrete and took a propane torch to it. A very pointed flame concentrated towards the top. It made a pin hole and the lead melted inside and came out the small hole but basically the coating remained intact, the shape of the bullet.

I pushed it with a screwdriver and the coating remained solid in the pool of lead.

Should hold up very well shooting as no way it gets that hot!.

How about another test?

Can you pull the bullet with a collet bullet puller and still use the bullet?? Like a fmj bullet??

Moonman · Jul 27, 2014

forestwin,

The present technology of COATED PROJECTILES does not exceed FULL METAL JACKET performance OR THE EXPENSE.

You just might be able to pull a coated bullet depending upon the case, BELLED, NO BURRS, you cannot injure the coating or it will fail.

Coated Projectiles are CHEAPER THAN JACKETED.

Rule3 · Jul 28, 2014

forestswin said:
How about another test?

Can you pull the bullet with a collet bullet puller and still use the bullet?? Like a fmj bullet??

Yes, I did that with a 124 gr. Not sure with the 200 grain as that had a roll crimp.

Rule3 · Jul 28, 2014

Moonman said:
Rule3,

When the self caster decides to coat with HI-TEK. He Coats and Bakes then performs two tests on his batch.

1) Acetone "WIPE TEST", if colors wipes, put them bake to bake longer, the CATALYST has not reached sufficient temperature to go OFF.

2) "THE SMASH TEST" with a hammer or small sledge, SMASH a projectile down to the thickness of a coin, if it FLAKES ANY, same as above.

If all fail, just RECAST, the HI-TEK floats on top of the melt, you just skim it off, THEN,

You go back and examine your process, mix ratios, and ACETONE.

Bad or Water Contaminated Acetone will cause the coating to fail.

The NEW Dry Power Mixes are now in the USA, Color & Catalyst are already mixed in dry form.

This eliminates ONE variable, but BAD ACETONE is the biggest concern to the self coater.

It's easier to do what you did, Call BAYOU Bullets, or SNS Casting, Gateway Bullets, LNL Casting, BBI and purchase finished coated projectiles,

AND JUST LOAD EM' UP.

There is a YouTube video showing what you did.
It has a lead projectile and a coated lead projectile in a spoon,
Heat from a torch is applied to the bottom of the spoon,

Plain Lead Melts, The Coated remains the same shape, although its interior has actually melted.

For the price and the whole 3 days it took to be delivered to my door, that's the way I like it!

forestswin · Aug 11, 2014

So what COL did you come up with?

Rule3 · Aug 11, 2014

forestswin said:
So what COL did you come up with?

1.140 -1.150 or there about. If it fits the CZ it will fit any other 9mm I have. Boils down to a finger nail width of the driving band

dickttx · Aug 12, 2014

I use that same 124gn coated bullet from Bayou for 38 Super. I load it just as forestwin showed in his photo.
I really like them.

686forme · Aug 12, 2014

My COL is 1.120 with 3.3 grains of Royal Scott powder.

Anyone load the Bayou Coated 124 gr RN 9mm bullet? COAL?

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