AMMO SHORTAGE - REALLY? Noooooooooooo (DUH!)

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Ackley1952 said:
If that upsets you, you might consider not going to the range for a while. I don’t think the other shooters want to pick out what gun you use or how you use it. Just an idea about freedom.
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Do you mean like in the '70s when folks kept buying gas hogs, muscle cars and small tanks during the gas shortages rather than buying economy cars? I remember quite a lot of responsible adult minded folks considered how much gas their car used. Not about freedom, but definitely not "I can do anything I want regardless, cause I'm a free citizen" thinking. I outgrew "magazine dumps" 40 years ago...
 
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I worked in manufacturing all my life. I've become accustomed to those that have no experience in producing large quantities of anything believing that somehow the products just magically appear. There's little concept of the amount of work involved and the supply chain required.

If you'd like to put up about $10,000,000 as a down payment we could start building one, it'll only take a couple of years.

We have to find a location, permit the building, contract it out. Order the necessary machinery which isn't just sitting in a warehouse somewhere. It has to be built. Then we have to contract for raw materials and find some smart people to work for us. A bunch of them.

The problems we have, everybody we are ordering from have the exact same problems. If you were his boss you'd bankrupt that company in less than a year.
 
reddog81 said:
Only 25 rounds? Kind of pathetic.

I hope you don’t show up when I’m at the range. I put 225 rounds of .38 Special and 170 rounds of 9mm down range last week. I plan on going back on Tuesday if the temperatures get into the mid 40’s. I stocked up for situations like this.
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I stocked up as well. I don't consider 15 to 20 yards a far enough distance for my shooting for 9mm and 38 so when I see someone 223/5.56 at a closer distance on the pistol range and call it "training" I wonder if their training involves using the sights.
 
mtgianni said:
I stocked up as well. I don't consider 15 to 20 yards a far enough distance for my shooting for 9mm and 38 so when I see someone 223/5.56 at a closer distance on the pistol range and call it "training" I wonder if their training involves using the sights.
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Probably one of the goofy AR pistols. Every time I've seen one at the range they're shooting at 10 to 15 yards. Based on the groups sizes I've seen, I think they need 30 round magazines in order to get a couple rounds on target. I get a chuckle out of a 100 year old 6 shooter getting half the group size at longer distances.
 
glenwolde said:
We have to find a location, permit the building, contract it out. Order the necessary machinery which isn't just sitting in a warehouse somewhere. It has to be built. Then we have to contract for raw materials and find some smart people to work for us. A bunch of them.

The problems we have, everybody we are ordering from have the exact same problems. If you were his boss you'd bankrupt that company in less than a year.
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Excellent post!:)

It takes a lot of time, money and skilled employees to get new machines up and running.

I would say anyone who posts like the OP did has no idea what is being spent for constant upgrades, process improvements and new equipment in the ammunition industry.

People are hoarding more ammo than the ammunition companies are!:D How do you think they make money? By hoarding their products?:)

As far as Jason Vanderbrink's "whining" message from the other thread-it doesn't sound like whining to me! Sounds more like just being tired of stupid things people say. :D

1 Billion dollars in sales does not mean they are making $1,000,000,000 in profit. Just that amount of sales on backorder when the product gets produced.

Oh well! Have a nice day!:)

Ed
 
Just another 22 shooter said:
Its easy for someone not close to manufacturing to say "just hire more people". As a guy whose getting ready to retire out of manufacturing, semi skilled workers for manufacturing are in short supply. Whether short of skills or short of ambition, right now it is hard to find people willing to learn and put in 50 to 60 hours a week on a factory floor to make a living.
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We can't find people to work 40 hours a week! Outside in the fresh air! There's a whole generation of laziness out there, and they're making babies. :eek: I wish that they made a robot that would work in commercial roofing. But it ain't gonna happen.
 
kraynky said:
We can't find people to work 40 hours a week! Outside in the fresh air! There's a whole generation of laziness out there, and they're making babies. :eek: I wish that they made a robot that would work in commercial roofing. But it ain't gonna happen.
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Well... they are YOUR kids, so what did you do wrong? Just wondering... :confused:
 
I don’t think you can blame Uncle Sugar for this one. Government ammo contracts are huge but are for extended periods. They just lumber along regardless of what’s going on in the world.

In 2008 there were 120,000 gun carrying federal LEOs. There are probably more now. Figure 1,000 rounds per year per LEO. That covers mandated quals, training, and rounds fired during the various academies. So, 120 million rounds per year, times ten years for a contract period.

1.2 billion rounds, guaranteed sale, direct from the manufacturer. Decade in, decade out. This is planned for.

And that’s just handgun ammo. We also qual with shotguns, ARs, and sometimes subguns. Add that in.

Oh yeah. That doesn’t count the military.

None of these agencies thought: We better buy more ammo. Believe me, they have plenty.

Its harder to plan on commercial demand. If enough people decide to buy a years worth of anything all at once (toilet paper) then the shelves go bare quick. Nothing sinister, just people being people.
 
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IMHO I do not think that we as a country will ever come out of THIS AMMO SHORTAGE. With so many CRAZY Billionaires, spending hundreds of millions on political races, what is to stop them from buying up the component mfgs..What is a billion dollars out of your personal wealth? Just saying!!!
 
Auburn4 said:
IMHO I do not think that we as a country will ever come out of THIS AMMO SHORTAGE. With so many CRAZY Billionaires, spending hundreds of millions on political races, what is to stop them from buying up the component mfgs..What is a billion dollars out of your personal wealth? Just saying!!!
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They could do that but they didn't get to be billionaires by being stupid. They don't spend a ton of money on a company to to lose it all closing it down. They also know somebody else will come along and build another one.
 
PaPow said:
Not sure how many of you caught this story.

Ammo Shortage Will Last Deep into 2021
American Rifleman | Ammo Shortage Will Last Deep into 2021

Hopefully people will start to realize there is alot of lies being told.

And the CEO says this????
“We currently have over a year’s worth of orders for ammunition in excess of $1 billion,” he said in his opening remarks.

All the people that are without jobs, this guy cant put people to work to catch up the orders?
He`s lucky i`m not his boss, he`d be on the unemployment line for his stupid statement.

They aren`t going to catch these orders up, this BS is being done on purpose.
What we need are PATRIOTS building ammo plants, powder and primer facilities!

Then all the fat an lazy CEO`s can feak out when other companies form and steal their profit glory.
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Simply wow & here we go again. Here’s my reply to last conspiracy theorist on this subject. This was specifically primers. Holding back supply for any reason other than safety in the face of record breaking demand is not a sales strategy, it’s incompetence, dereliction of duty, and definitely a fireable offense.

Post #13
Crazy run on primers...but not so much on powder?
 
glenwolde said:
They could do that but they didn't get to be billionaires by being stupid. They don't spend a ton of money on a company to to lose it all closing it down. They also know somebody else will come along and build another one.
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Manufacturing ammo isn't where the high rollers are investing. Ammo is a commodities market like pork bellies and wheat. Buy the right company at the wrong time and see what happens.

Markets and investors are looking two years ahead. That's why DJIA is above 30K. Has nothing to do with present conditions because those will change. Ammo manufacturers will eventually catch up because the military has less need for high production. Check out the military surplus brass auctions. Nothing there indicating less training.

Olin, Federal and Magtech will catch up with demand within 12 months.
 
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I was wondering when someone would bring up the toilet paper comparison. Combination of panic buying as well as millions of new owners buying. As far as building new plants, who would want to risk that amount of investment when you don't know if the anti-gun nuts might come out with serious ammo sales restrictions in the next year or so?
 
LOL, wowwww, some of the comments in here.

A-n-y-w-a-y...... GOOD LUCK!
 
mikld said:
Wow! There is a term often used for "tongue in cheek" statements. Called sarcasm. But some people have the sense of humor of a lead bullet and can't/won't understand obvious sarcasm...
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Oh OK, THIS time I see the "sarcasm" in the above statement (not the former one)! Wow! Got it! :D

NEXT time why don't you try using the sarcasm emoji::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
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