Powder Valley has small pistol and small rifle primers in stock and for sale. $120 per 1500. FYI.

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Things are getting a little better each week. Can't wait until local stores have their shelves stocked. Thanks for posting.

I'd say a little better each year, but who's keeping track.... 2020 was $150 per thousand, 2021 was $125, 2022 was $100 and now we're at $80 per thousand. Maybe by 2025 we'll be down to $40 to $50.

I hope so. I'll probably need some by then. Larry

I stopped last Saturday at a local gun store that has had reliable low cost reloading components (as much as possible) through this whole mess,,

I was shocked that ALL primers were $12.95 per 100.

That is crazy pricing, now that some stuff has backed down, pricewise,,

Even if he paid BIG$$$ for the inventory, he needs to eat some loss, and go on,,
Keeping prices that high just looses customers,,

I am sure that the loss would be covered by the profit he made as prices went up.

You can not make customers mad,, and succeed,,

Fiocchi is supposed to build a primer plant this year, in Little Rock, AR. Maybe we'll finally see an easing of the shortage of primers.

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George

The interesting thing about Fiocchi primers to be made at Little Rock is that they will be lead-free. I predict that within 10 years, maybe sooner, all primers will be. There are several different lead-free technologies available. Federal has been producing some for awhile based on the Thermite reaction, and I believe that is what Fiocchi will use. I have no idea what type primer mix the EXP primers are/will be using. The relatively new AA40 military 5.56mm training round made by Federal uses lead-free primers. Also lead-free frangible bullets. I did all of the early developmental work on that round in the early 2000s. Federal Ammo Awarded $114M AA40 Frangible Ammunition Contract

You cannot sell at a loss and succeed. I'd take my chances at pissing people off.

The problem when prices are rising is cash flow. Let's say you buy powder at $10 and sell it for $14. Then the wholesale price goes up to $12. Instead of pocketing a $4 gross profit, which is probably more like $2 net, you only get $2 because you have to pay the higher price to replace the inventory.

In order to cover the inventory replacement cost, you need to sell that $10 can of powder for $16 if you want to maintain your cash flow. In times of high inflation it's hard to forecast the rising prices, so people guess and they guess high. Because if you guess wrong you get starved for cash. That's how businesses go broke.

Now my example may not be exactly right but the same condition exists no matter what the numbers.

There are countless examples of "Loss Leaders" in all retail spaces. It's a common practice that was worked for a very long time.

Too bad primers aren't in that category.

I think you are exactly right. Ask any gas station owner.

Most people are out business owners. They get a paycheck and do not understand how it all works. They never have had to generate a payroll every week or 2

I've had no issues loading the FIO shotgun primers, so giving these a try.
Appreciate the heads up, thank you!

If they want to understand how business works, they should get gov't jobs

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Too Soon Old, Too Late Schmart

At $80/thousand I will pass. I guess primers are on the short end for the whole industry, but sooner or later the inventory will catch up. I will wait.

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Kevin in Oregon

It would be comical to hear the number of how many primers manufacturers have orders for.

About four years ago I bought a 15k case and split it with a friend...the primers have been excellent. I think at the time it worked out to 2.3 cents per primer...

Some of the guys that I shoot with needed primers so we went in for 30k...two cases...was $125 per 1500 brick delivered with shipping and HazMat fee.

Current retail for CCI standard primers is $69.95 a brick of 1000. Saw one company yesterday who has some but they are in the $110-140 area for small and large pistol...

Bob

I’d buy right now (not happily but I would) if I was seeing $80 bricks in my local shop. Have t seen any for three years. Last primers I bought were on Midway for $110 a brick plus shipping and hazmat fees.

SPP are out of stock as of now.

0.12/ea isn't anywhere close to a reasonable price, unless you don't have any.

As explained above, think about replacing your stock, not what you paid for what you have on hand. That would mean when the price gets back to normal, say 0.07-0.08 buy enough for 3 years of loading. I've seen CCI for 0.08 recently online so we're getting close. Wait another 6 months.

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Seeing these prices makes me very grateful I still have enough SPP where I don't need to buy yet. I'm really hoping for ~$40/k but who knows.

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I too have plenty SPP-SRP on hand and hoping to see the 40K price again. I just checked Brunos, PV, Natchez and Midsouth and they all have primers but adding shipping and Hazmat jacks the price up to $.12 - .14 range.

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Totally agree....little by little it's getting better. I stopped at Brownells a couple weeks ago and they had CCI and/or Winchester primers of just about every size for $96 -$150/1000. I saw quite a few guys stop and look but nobody bought any. That tells me that at least some shooters are willing to restrain from buying at the high prices and hopefully drive prices down more.

I have to agree, supplies are slowly getting better. However, I am having difficulty locating LPP locally. My club is arranging a bulk order for this summer, but at this point, all but LPP are available. We won't know what the prices will be until before the order is finalized.

As a result, the LPPs on hand are being dedicated to my 41s and 44s. Shifting to SPP brass for the 45 ACP.

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Check Target Sports. I bought a carton of 5,000 CCI-300s a few months back for under $500 and that included tax and haz. fee. No charge for shipping if you buy a carton. Not a steal, but they had them in stock. They have Win. SP now at $83 a thousand (before tax and haz. fees).

Midsouth just sent me a notice. They have SR primers for $95/1000.

I'll pass but somebody may need them.

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I just lucked out on a 1000 CCI LPPs yesterday for 55 bucks. Didn't really NEED 'em but cheapest I have seen in a long time.Gonna load 44 sp and 45 Colt. 500 each. Here's where that really cheap loading could come in...at least for the 45. A friend gave me 500 commercial cast 250 gr 45 bullets I could use some old primers I bought for 5 dollars and I bought 2_old powder cans of powder...both with roughly a pound of powder in each..Green Dot and Herco...paid 2.50 for them..free bullets. 1/2 cent primers 2 tenths cent for powder...free bullets and already had the cases...But that is the last of the REALLY cheap LPPs. But I was happy to get the CCIs for 55.00. Going to put the 2- 3 pound metal cans on an auction site. I don't consider them collectable but someone will

We discussed this a number of years ago on another forum and the general concern is that lead-free primers are going to have a viable shelf life... different than the primers we are all accustomed to that tend to never break down and die.

Would this be your opinion also?

Lead free?? That is a real concern to me..I know... conspiracy theory ... But I do have still useable 75 year old primers. And we've loaded these old tech things so long...will we have to waste resources learning new tricks. I do understand the whole thing won't really concern me in a few years...I am old

hoi here in the netherlands it just the opposit the price per 1500 130 euro in 2020 65 euro you got it good in the states

And most convenience stores sell gas at cost. That isn't their big money maker. Coffee for $2.12/cup on the other hand rakes in huge profits.

While people are waiting on the cost of primers to come down we need them to continue to wait on buying the still-overpriced loaded ammo. Prices there have plateaued at around .30/round as the best price (with tax & shipping to most places). I'm keeping an eye on my ammo shelf and, at this point, won't buy until I absolutely need to. It isn't like there is a shortage anymore. No need to buy just because there is availability. If manufacturers find themselves with unpurchased ammo beginning to stockpile, they will stop consuming primers at extraordinary rates as well.

Doesn't work in small businesses. This is why Walmart can blow into town with low prices and drive out all the small businesses, then raise their prices. It's considered a predatory tactic used by large and well capitalized businesses to gain market share and is often paid for from profits on everything else. A "loss leader" at a company like Walmart is barely noticeable on their financials. Cabelas could probably loss-lead primers.

Not to mention any below market pricing on primers these days just attracts the black market guys. The inventory will end up on a table at a gun show marked way up. That doesn't help and the store loses a profit opportunity in a tough environment.

The market will work eventually. I think the supply chain issues are slowing down the response. But high prices will attract increased supply. It's good to see Remington primers back in the market. Now foreign primers are showing up.

I got an email ad yesterday with $12.00 9mm 115gr Fiocchi. I think that might be back to (the new) normal. Many predicted that it would never go below $20. If it stays there for a while primers should show back up.

I can tell you I had a small reloading business. Every one of my reloading components was used as a loss leader at one time or another. Primers included. But I didn't really take a loss. I sold items at times for their cost...usually giving the discount at a certain sales point. The only thing I hated to sell at cost was shot...It took a lot of work being so heavy. There were times I sold as much as 8 tons of shot a week...at 50 cents a bag profit. I usually put the order minimum a bit higher when I used shot as the come-on. I once sold about 200 cases of waterfowl loads in 3 days...cutting my profit to 2 dollars a box. 20 box cases. It was a blow out sale...next year we went to steel shot. All successful businesses use loss leaders at least a little. One wholesaler I know used free shipping on occasion. But there was some shipping built into his pricing. Where he made out was the shipping companies. He got shipping kickbacks for every full truck they sent out. It really adds up. Free shipping usually doesn't really cost a company any profit. Just can't do it all the time