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Coated bullet load data
Is there a particular reloading manual that show cast lead bullet
Load data. I have 2 Speer, a Lyman and a Hornady manual. My Speer #9
has one or two lead bullets but nothing new. Looking for something that shows newer cast bullets, and bullseye powder. Appreciate any info.
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Lyman has a cast bullet manual.
Lyman Cast Manual
You might also find a PDF of an older, but still mostly valid, version, which contains a wider array of load data, but of course, does not cover the newer powders.
Just saying it's out there ... somewhere. Not sure how copyright law plays out with it though.
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The Lee manual has load data for most bullet types including cast/plated/etc.
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Originally Posted by Black69
Is there a particular reloading manual that show cast lead bullet
Load data. I have 2 Speer, a Lyman and a Hornady manual. My Speer #9
has one or two lead bullets but nothing new. Looking for something that shows newer cast bullets, and bullseye powder. Appreciate any info.
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Nothing but cast bullet load data :
Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 4th Edition - In Print
Out of print but excellant books to have :
Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 3rd Edition
RCBS Cast Bullet Manual number 1
These manuals are for cast bullets data only .
Most mould designs new and old are included and lots of data with Bullseye powder will be shown .
I use the RCBS #1 and Lyman #3 a lot ... but Lyman #4 has the data on the newest moulds .
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Lyman reloader “ bible sized” book is very good.
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Also, I treat powder coated boolits just like lubed boolits. They only shoot cleaner.
Most plated bullets shoot about the same as cast lead, so you can usually use that data also.
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What do you mean by newer cast bullets? Powder coated bullets use the same load data as lubed cast bullets. Your Lyman manual should have cast data. The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook will have more than the regular Lyman reloading manual but isn't that spectacular unless you're reloading cast bullets for many calibers.
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What do you mean by newer cast bullets? Powder coated bullets use the same load data as lubed cast bullets. Your Lyman manual should have cast data. The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook will have more than the regular Lyman reloading manual but isn't that spectacular unless you're reloading cast bullets for many calibers.
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They've come out with things other than the Keith type SWC is all that means.
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They've come out with things other than the Keith type SWC is all that means.
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I'm not sure that's what he means. Designs other than Keith SWC have been around for many decades. Without better details it's all just a guess.
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If you shoot a 9mm, I have posted 115gr LRN coated pictures and data, last year.
I am about to buy 500 124 gr LRN coated and give them a test, soon.
There is lead, coated & plated data out there, but
the type of barrels, length, will be different from my guns, so I like to
double check the powders and fps, data, as well as accuracy
that is very seldom listed.
Sorry, no revolver data on these, since I am still shooting all my lead bullets up.
Not happening.
10/16/2023 Reno store & company, "out of stock".
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The Lee manual has the best compilation of load data available.
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The Lee manual has the best compilation of load data available.
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Good for reference, and only by experienced handloaders. The cast bullet data in the first part of the book may have been developed by Lee. The data in the rest of the book was not. Many bullets are unidentified and it's often not apparent where the data came from. Someone who has studied a good bit of data from reputable paper published manuals can sometimes figure out what the unidentified bullet is and perhaps go straight to the source (load manual) where the Lee data came from.
Bullets of the same weight may not have the same shape or the same bearing surface length; this can make a significant difference in safe powder charges. Other times, data will interchange safely. If you don't have a background in all this and other aspects of using incomplete data, the Lee book is certainly not one to use for load development. Stick with manuals where all components are identified.
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The phrase newer cast bullets I used was referring to bullets like truncated
Cone with no lube groove. Or 130, 135 grain bullets.
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My Lyman cast bullet handbook has Bullseye data for 124 and 140 grain truncated cone 9mm rounds. They are traditional lube groove but that shouldn’t matter much as non lube groove bullets will take up less space in the case and have slightly less pressure.
124 grain data runs 3.7 to 4.1 and 140 grain data runs 3.5 to 3.9 grains. Anything in the 3.5 to 3.7 range overlaps from 124 to 140 which I would infer means 130 or 135 would also be fine….
Choosing odd weight bullets without published load data means you might have to interpolate
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The phrase newer cast bullets I used was referring to bullets like truncated
Cone with no lube groove. Or 130, 135 grain bullets.
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That was my take...
Add to that the powders that have come into being since the publication of the Lyman 3rd edition.
I really recommend an old and new approach.
You really kinda need both
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I appreciate all the responses. I guess i need to add a cast bullet
Manual to my collection. Thanks again everyone.
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The thing about Speer....
...is that their manuals have data only for their soft swaged bullets. If you want to go hard cast, Lyman will do. I find a good many cast loads on manufacturers websites, in addition to my cast bullet books.
PS: I push Hi Tek coated bullet HARD in magnums and have never had a problem.
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Reloading / gun shop where I get my coated KT bullets from says you can load them “ hotter”. Ha also sells lots of his reloaded ammo. Have only shot few 100 rounds of 357 Mag and am not that impressed compared to my cast sized and lubed KT 357’s. Getting ready to cast a bunch so will be busy as weather has cooled off.
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Use same load data as any other cast or jacketed bullet.
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I appreciate all the responses. I guess i need to add a cast bullet
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The latest Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 4th Edition contains data for bullet moulds manufactured not only by Lyman ...
But now contains data for bullet moulds manufactured by...
... Lee , RCBS & Saeco (Redding) designs .
This manual (4th Edition) covers many more newer moulds designs that are popular .
The Lee data is very welcome ... I trust Lyman doing the testig .
I like RCBS moulds and was glad to see the Saeco (Redding Data)
It contains some of the newer powders but had to drop some of the older powders ...that I like , but there is only so much room in a book .
If you have a Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 3rd Edition , you will have all the older powders and discontinued Lyman mould designs ... Lyman doesn't make a LOT of good designs any longer ... tis a pity !
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I use the Lyman cast bullet handbook and at least three older Lyman manuals going back into the 50s and 60s. They do not have recipes using the newer powders and calibers but that's not an issue as I use mainly the older powders and calibers anyway. Also I have many older reloading handbooks and data sheets from all of the bullet and powder makers. That is all I need. Very seldom do I look on the internet for load recipes.
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The Lee has not changed for years, it is just info copied from someplace else and doe not indicate what bullet, only the weight.
Folks should just invest in the Lyman cast manual
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The Lyman cast bullet manual is a great place to start for all types of cast bullets.
I powder coat and have have shot Hi Tek coated bullets in both rifle and handgun at mild to magnum pressures. I get satisfactory results with both but do not let anyone tell you they end leading as they definitely do not. Reduce it some possibly. I powder coat because I have a large stash of almost pure lead and PC lets me push them harder than just lubed.
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