Cast Bullets coated or lubed?

venomballistics · #51 05-19-2024, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lrrifleman

I can see where you are going. The problem is not with the PSA Dagger, but the GSSF rules. Unless you are shooting Unlimited, the pistol must be stock Glock. If you are shooting in the Unlimited class, the frame MUST be manufactured by Glock. The catch is, if you are shooting in a GSSF match, you must be a member of GSSF. The GSSF benefit is that you can purchase a Glock from a Glock Blue Label dealer. Depending on the Generation, you can get a G17, G19, or G26 (or the 40 S&W equivalent) for 410-425. The added benefit is that at GSSF matches, they always have an armorer on-site that can repair and upgrade your pistol at no cost.

For anyone that is looking to shoot stationary IDPA/USPSA matches, Glock can be the solution through the GSSF program. Sig is starting to follow suit with the ShootSig program. Hopefully, S&W will see the benefit and develop their own version of GSSF and ShootSig! (HINT: these programs allow the physically challenged shooters to shoot against unchallenged shooters on a level playing field!)

it's certainly out in terms of these specific competitions.
That's not the only home they have.
For as much as we might hate the Glock, it runs.
Some of the home brewed torture tests of Glocks prove them to be stuff of legend in terms of reliability.
Most everything else about them might make us want to bathe but we have to recognize that relentless function.
At least for some, PSA might have made it a good bit less repulsive.
For me, the Dagger is just a range mistress to flog. My preference is with the 1911.
That said, living with the Dagger, it's grown on me to some degree. Knowing what it is, I can't help but entertain the idea of employing Glock parts in a dagger build. Other's might see similar potential in this addition to the parts bin.

alwslate · #52 05-20-2024, 06:50 AM

I have been using lubed cast bullets in my handgun reloads since the mid 60s. See absolutely no reason to start buying and using plated or coated cast bullets now.

rosewood · #53 05-20-2024, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by alwslate

I have been using lubed cast bullets in my handgun reloads since the mid 60s. See absolutely no reason to start buying and using plated or coated cast bullets now.

Cleaner shooting and no smoke is no reason to try something new? What about cleaner loading dies?

Do you not drive a fuel injected automobile?

stansdds · #54 05-20-2024, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rosewood

Cleaner shooting and no smoke is no reason to try something new? What about cleaner loading dies?

Do you not drive a fuel injected automobile?

Some of us do still know how to work on and tune a carburetor and a carburetor does not require a computer to run it. That being said, when I exhaust my supply of cast and lubed bullets, I expect I will embrace the cleanliness of coated lead bullets.

serger · #55 05-20-2024, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by venomballistics

would that snake be alive or animation challenged?

It would be a dead snake, like this dead horse we're beating.

After all, how many angels can you put on the head of a pin?

And I'm of the 1911 school also.

twodog max · #56 05-20-2024, 10:40 AM

I have been powder coating a couple years. It works decently well but it is not the perfect solution as the fan boys proclaim. I find it a PIA to mess with. Far simpler to lube size and shoot. But then I never shoot indoors and that would have a bearing on necessity. I also do not see a lot of difference in the cleaning. Certainly not enough to on it's own taking that route. I use it mostly to use up a large quantity of soft lead without the trouble of procuring tin or other hardeners.

rosewood · #57 05-20-2024, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by stansdds

Some of us do still know how to work on and tune a carburetor and a carburetor does not require a computer to run it. That being said, when I exhaust my supply of cast and lubed bullets, I expect I will embrace the cleanliness of coated lead bullets.

Me too. I have an 82 Gold Wing that I have to rebuild one of the carbs soon, float leaking. Also have a 2003 KLR650 with a carb and all of my small engines are carbed. I do like fuel injection better though.

Rosewood

rosewood · #58 05-20-2024, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by twodog max

I have been powder coating a couple years. It works decently well but it is not the perfect solution as the fan boys proclaim. I find it a PIA to mess with. Far simpler to lube size and shoot. But then I never shoot indoors and that would have a bearing on necessity. I also do not see a lot of difference in the cleaning. Certainly not enough to on it's own taking that route. I use it mostly to use up a large quantity of soft lead without the trouble of procuring tin or other hardeners.

Powder coating is work, but since you don't have to let the lube dry (at least with ALOX) overnight, you can cast, PC, size all in the same day.

Rosewood

The Kid · #59 05-20-2024, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rosewood

Powder coating is work, but since you don't have to let the lube dry (at least with ALOX) overnight, you can cast, PC, size all in the same day.

Rosewood

These are the main reasons I haven’t jumped into the PC game. I have a Star sizer and commonly go out to the shop, fire up the pot and preheat a couple molds. Cast a few hundred bullets and drop them on an old towel in a box. When I have what I deem enough I’ll let them cool while I refill the pot and flux the new alloy. By then the bullets are cool and I’ll run them through the Star, it’s really fast being push through and I can do 500 or so an hour.
Then I’m done and ready to go, I’ll often go ahead and load a few hundred up for an evening shoot or the next day’s trip to the ranch.
With good fit and proper lube, alloy, and loads I don’t see enough leading in 500 rounds of 38 special to warrant a brush being passed down the barrel.

For me and my setup that I’m already familiar with and have paid for ages ago I see no benefit to swapping over to PC at this time.

venomballistics · #60 05-20-2024, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rosewood

Powder coating is work, but since you don't have to let the lube dry (at least with ALOX) overnight, you can cast, PC, size all in the same day.

Rosewood

This is method dependent.
There are a number of ways to get the powder on the bullets. Some are quite easy.

rockquarry · #61 05-20-2024, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rosewood

Powder coating is work, but since you don't have to let the lube dry (at least with ALOX) overnight, you can cast, PC, size all in the same day.

Rosewood

I've never heard of a bullet lube that required drying. Can you provide some details?

venomballistics · #62 05-20-2024, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rockquarry

I've never heard of a bullet lube that required drying. Can you provide some details?

Liquid Alox.
The stuff has a bit of solvent to it and does require some dry time.
I've used it ... Never really liked it

rockquarry · #63 05-20-2024, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by venomballistics

Liquid Alox.
The stuff has a bit of solvent to it and does require some dry time.
I've used it ... Never really liked it

I forgot about Liquid Alox. Tried it once thirty or more years ago before going back to regular lube. While it may work to some degree, it's messy and looks unprofessional. I've found conventional lube to be much better even if it requires a lube/sizer and dies.

venomballistics · #64 05-20-2024, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rockquarry

I forgot about Liquid Alox. Tried it once thirty or more years ago before going back to regular lube. While it may work to some degree, it's messy and looks unprofessional. I've found conventional lube to be much better even if it requires a lube/sizer and dies.

I found it over promised and under delivered.
Probably does alright with a 38 wad cutter of typical loading, but try to get some heat to it. It wouldn't hold up.

pantannojack · #65 05-21-2024, 12:21 AM

I wasted many primers (2000 or more) and 231 powder trying to shoot copper coated big box store bullets from a 39-2 to satisfaction. I could not do it. I won't try it again. I like lead and lube.

venomballistics · #66 05-21-2024, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pantannojack

I wasted many primers (2000 or more) and 231 powder trying to shoot copper coated big box store bullets from a 39-2 to satisfaction. I could not do it. I won't try it again. I like lead and lube.

plated isn't the same as coated.
Copper plating tends to be a bit delicate. The crimp can make or break the load, and if you have a tight chamber, you may have to over crimp to get them to go into battery.
The coatings are polymer. They can handle being crimped

3rdgeargrndrr · #67 05-21-2024, 11:54 PM

Coated- shoot anywhere.
Lubed - outdoor ranges only.