m19 vs. m27, or pre m27 vs. m28?????

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Was the m19, the m27 or per m27 & the m28 in competition in 357mag with each other at the sametime sales wise? Which one would you buy for self defense if you were in law enforcement at that time?

I would chose the n frame m27 or m28.
 
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At the time? I would have gone Pre-19 because of how great it feels in the hand. It's just so right.

Knowing what I know about their hardiness now, I would chose the 27 or 28. Or more likely a 24, due to my love of .44 Special.
 
A .357 is a .357. Assuming identical barrel lengths, the revolver used makes no difference in terminal performance, so in that regard, the Model 19 is as good as any of the N-frames. The Model 19 was more popular among law enforcement personnel back in the day due to its lighter weight. In fact, that was the whole idea - cops carry their guns a lot but shoot them relatively infrequently, so a lighter-weight gun is a benefit to them. At present, very few cops carry revolvers, and rightly so. In their line of work, a high-capacity semi-auto in their holsters makes more sense.
 
Depends what time period your looking at,
The N frame 357 had been around since before WWII,
The HP (Pre 28) was introduced in 1954 but was the same N frame 357 offered with a less costly finish .

The big game changer IMO was "The Combat Magnum" (Pre 19) that came onto the scene in 56 since it was physically smaller and lighter than its N frame 357 predecessors,

The Stainless Model 66 entered the scene around 1970 the fact that the Model 66 is a K Magnum and that no SS version of the Model 28 came out suggests to me the K Magnum was the more popular LE platform until the introduction of the L frame 357.

I chose the Model 66 .
 
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You have to have at least 3 or 4 of each.:D And on any given day, then you can decide which one you like best...
 
27 or pre 27 in 3.5" or 4."

The 19 would be a good off duty gun.

N frames just shoot so nicely with heavier loads. I don't mind the size or weight myself.
 
Putting aside for a moment the named models, versus the model numbers (they all got model numbers in 1958), the 27 came first, then the 28, then the 19.

So, for a while, the 27 and 28 were the only .357s in the line. The 27 was fancy, while the 28 was "plain Jane."

The 19 came about in 1955/56 when Border Patrolman Bill Jordan suggested that the .357 should be chambered in the K frame to make the gun lighter.

Thus, until approximately 1956, you had your choice between plain and fancy N frame (28 versus 27). In 1956, you had plain or fancy on the N frame, and fancy on the K frame (19).

After 1956, most police wanted the new Combat Magnum Model 19 as it was lighter and easier to carry.

BigBill: Patton was famous for two revolvers, although he had others and some semi-auto pistols as well. He was famous for the "pair" he carried on occasion, which were really not a matched pair. He carried his Colt Single Action Army Model P in nickel finish on his right hip. Sometimes he added the left side holster to his belt and also carried his 3 1/2 inch Registered Magnum. The Registered Magnum always was the "second" gun and was always worn on Patton's left hip.

They both had ivory stocks, leading many people who were apparently incapable of basic observation skills to conclude he had a matched pair of the same model of gun.
 
Shawn your right and in addition there was no need to "Dumb Down" the Model 19 because the introduction of SS into the S&W lineup meant guns could basically be made without any finish process .

The Model 66 was lighter for the officer and probably more profitable than the Model 28 which required more man hours of finish attention even in rough blue finish.
 
In the 70s, more cops were carrying .38s than .357s. Of the 357s being carried, at least where I worked, the 28 was king. Less expensive than the 27 and it was believed at the time to be more durable than the 19. Most of the .38s around were model 15s or model 10s. The 80s were a game changer with the rise of the 9mm. Most cops I knew back then didn't carry off duty. I did, my Commander. It usually rode in my glove box on duty, too. Some others liked small .38s, like the Chiefs Special or a snubby model 10.
 
Wasn't the model 19 known for hammering itself apart under heavy usage with 357 magnum loads? Meaning the frame wasn't heavy enough to handle the 357magnum loads.
 
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