In a recent thread in S&W 1961 to 1980, "Which first, egg or hen...?", ST Bryson was good enough to post an image of the cover of a 44 ASSOCIATES' .44 Special data report atop an image of a George Rice article, "'Magnumizing' the .44" [Special].

Is is possible that the contents could be excerpted, posted at length or made available in PDF for those who would like to see the data or article?

Many of us have wondered for years re this data as historic information and the article looks promising as well.

Thanks to anyone, including ST Bryson, who might have and be willing to share the content. I understand and respect that there may be reasons that would cause one to decline to disseminate the info.

[Posted here, as it seems to go beyond Reloading as a topic.]

Regards,

Dyson

Conrad,

I spent the afternoon reading the articles you posted (and watching the ball game). Great stuff!
There should be a permanent place for links to quality reference material like this on this forum, or they should at least become a sticky in the reloading section.

Thanks again

There seems to be quite a bit of interest in the 44 Associates' data. It will be a real breakthrough to have it to read and digest.

Let's hope Steve or someone with a copy can make it happen. And that it can be set forth here, or in copies. We will all be greatly in his/their debt.

Regards,

Dyson

DGNY, I think the time period your talking about would be more 1930-40. If I recall correctly it was a small group with EK somewhat as the center. I believe I read that they also had a small newsletter that circulated among the group. I think this is correct but hopefully if it's not someone will jump in to set it straight.

Keith

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Gunhacker - thanks for trying the other hosting sites. These articles and materials are valuable contributions to our collective knowledge.

Regards,

Dyson

I vertainly would be interested also in any info on the 44 special and it's loads. I load for the 44 and it is, indeed, my favorite round

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Thanks Conrad!

Al:

If there are some interesting articles on the .44 Special in the A.R.A. bulletin by members such as Keith would you be wiling to send me Xerox copies. I can have them retyped to be more legible and make pdf or jpg files available.

Jerry

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Steve - we thank you for your generous posting of the article above. I am impressed by the vision of the author [witness the minutiae concerning the Triple-Lock system], and the care taken in writing it those many years ago.

With appreciation,

Dyson

Ok folks... I was only able to locate and scan the 3 1953 American Rifleman articles. The files are large due to the scan being hi res.

The files are on a file hosting website... here's the updated link:

44_Special_Articles

I also have a complete collection of Handloader Magazine from Issue#1 to current, I'll scan and have the articles posted on the same file hosting website.

I remember reading somewhere that any loading data from the 44 Associates really needs to be taken with a grain of salt and a pound of caution.

Remember... the powder such as Hercules 2400 (now Alliant) used back then is a different make up from what's produced today. Pressure characteristics will be different, so you have to gradually work upwards while watching for excessive pressure signs.

Oh.. and here's what I shoot .44 Spl out of:

24-3 Lew Horton:


5 screw Pre 24:

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Conrad
SWCA #1830 SWHF #222

Many thanks to stbryson, GLL and others who have expressed interest in sharing this knowledge.

Once again, this Forum demonstrates its collaborative powers.

Regards,

Dyson

While we stand by for possible further data, GLL, that is one handsome shootin' iron you pictured. Is it a 24, a 24-3 or ?.

Thanks and looking forward to hearing more from Steve and others with .44 Special data,

Dyson

Steve:

Thank you very much for posting the article !

Dyson:

The .44 HE is a 4th Model Target (Model of 1950 Target).

If anyone in the Los Angeles area has copies of the articles Conrad listed that I could borrow for a day I will scan them at VERY high resolution and make them available as pdf files for educational purposes.

CAn anyone supply a Xerox copy of "44 ASSOCIATES' .44 Special data report" ? If so I would make a good scan of it as well !

Jerry

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Thanks. I hope others who have shareable access to the information in question will join this discussion.

My comment re the timing is related to the current [and seemingly ageless] popularity of the .44 Special cartridge. Also to the possible relevance of the findings of the 44 Associates to modern discussions. Conversely, an airing of the old findings might set to rest the hope that they had discovered something of use to us.

Regards,

Dyson

Dyson:

I unfortunately have nothing to share but would love to help put as much of the old info together as possible !

I am retired, love the .44 Special, and have a very nice scanner !

Jerry

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Yes, you should! You will get considerably smaller files than with color. If there is nothing on the page in color, no point wasting the bandwidth!

Gregg

This is truly public service of the highest order! Mother Teresa would be proud!

AKtinman: Good notes!

That was the issue... the article is uploaded to the hosting site, this time in greyscale

I was surprised to look at the download counts for the previous files I uploaded, there's a lot of folks interested in the .44 Spl. judging by the numbers I'm seeing.

I was sitting here thinking while this latest file uploaded... at the rate this is going maybe we should start a up "44 Associates II" group here (since the original .44 Associates aren't around anymore... I think).

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SWCA #1830 SWHF #222

I would be very interested in a copy of their works.

Gunhacker - you have a good idea there.

Especially with the centennial of the Triple Lock in recent past and the Lipsey run of .44 Special Rugers, there might be a place for 44 Associates II...

It would be great if someone with a good copy of the 44 Associates booklet would step up and make it available for study by all of us.

Thanks to all who are reading and posting!

Regards,

Dyson

This image is posted to show the resolution of Conrad's scans that he provided in the hosted pdf files ! (Photoshop modified to grayscale to shrink the file size)

GREAT JOB !

Jerry

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Steve,
I'm interested as well. I just got my 44 Special project back from Bowen and will start loading in earnest for it soon. Sounds like this source will help me out. Thanks.
Keith

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Years ago at an estate auction I bought boxes of American Rifleman magazines from the 40's, 50's & 60's.

I'll pull them out of storage to see how many of these articles I have.

I'll scan them to a PDF document to share them with my .44 Special brethren... will let everyone know when I have something to send out.

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SWCA #1830 SWHF #222

It would appear that I'm a couple of years too late to be able to download these articles from the posted links. Does anyone here have copies of any of these articles they would be willing to email to me, particularly Gordon C. Boser's article on the Triple Lock and the .44 Special?

Thanks
Jim

I too would like to have these articles.
I have space on a web server and I could host any files for download that you folks would be willing to share.
Wouldn't have to worry about links going dead due to inactivity.

Jim, I'll send a PM to Gunhacker and see if he still has those articles.

Matt, I still have the PDF files. PM sent...

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SWCA #1830 SWHF #222

Skelton described them as a group of handloaders and enthusiasts that exchanged loading data and jokes about .357 Magnum shooters.

Don't forget to check out Lil-Gun for loading the 44spl.
I use it in my 624 6.5" and it is great!
I'm just now converting a H&R 12ga to 44spl. and will feed it the same, Lil-Gun and a 250gr H/C Keith.

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Steve,

If you decide not to post something here, I would also like to be copied at the address in my profile.

Do you know if any of the info is contained in the SWCA Journals? I just received all 4 volumes and have yet to make much of a dent in reading them.

Best Regards,

Jerry

GLL - of course - a PRE-24 [just kidding...] Beautiful revolver.

Gunhacker - thanks for doing the look-see at your stash of magazines.

And thanks again to Steve. Splendid work.

Regards,

Dyson

Thanks to Steve Bryson for sharing these reference source data and for the notes on load pressure, etc. They are very interesting to me and must have taken him considerable time to assemble and enter for posting here.

I personally do not have such information available and, without in any way wishing to limit Steve's ongoing contributions, would ask if any others would care to join in -- to locate, scan and disseminate, or better yet, post [assuming no copyright issues] such information here. [Has anyone current access to the cited American Rifleman issues?]

Appreciation again to Steve for his fine leadership to date, and to everyone who has made suggestions and offers of help.

Regards,

Dyson

I've looked through my AR and don't have the missing issues. However, there is a great deal of info available on the web.

For the new reloaders, attached is a sample of the data available from Handloaders.com. It a compilation of many sources. Pretty good stuff. As usual read all disclaimers.

44 Special, all bullet weights

Bullet Powder Weight Powder Velocity OAL Primer Source


180gr JHP 6.0 gr HP38 960 fps 1.4" WLP guest
Very accurate out of my 6" M29 and 3" M24. Easily shoots 2" groups offhand at 10 yards.


180gr JHC 6.5 gr Bullseye 910 fps 1.6" WLP Alliant
Suggested starting load: 5.9 gr

Pressure: 12,000


180gr JHC 6.4 gr Red Dot 885 fps 1.6" WLP Alliant
Suggested starting load: 5.8 gr

Pressure: 12,100


180gr JHC 6.7 gr Green Dot 925 fps 1.6" WLP Alliant
Suggested starting load: 6.0 gr

Pressure: 12,400



200gr LRN 4.0 gr Red Dot Unknown CCI SP guest
Use the 44 Special case. Can be used in Colt replicas also and any 44 magnum when target plinking.

Email author: mcustoms
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200gr LFP 4.3 gr Red Dot 650 fps CCI SP guest
Great load for those short 44 specials.

Email author: mcustoms
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200gr LFP 5.1 gr Vihtavuori 611 fps 5 1/2" Fed LP guest


Email author: grkva_99
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200gr LSWC 4.1 gr Nitro 100 867 fps 1.465" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 3.7 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 11,100 CUP


200gr LSWC 4.3 gr Solo 1000 813 fps 1.465" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 3.9 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 9,400 CUP


200gr LSWC 5.2 gr AA #2 905 fps 1.465" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 4.7 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 14,000 CUP


200gr LSWC 7.4 gr AA #5 959 fps 1.465" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 6.7 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 14,000 CUP


200gr LSWC 9.5 gr AA #7 992 fps 1.465" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 8.6 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 14,000 CUP


200gr LSWC 11.5 gr AA #9 1,020 fps 1.465" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 10.4 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 14,000 CUP


200gr JHP 6.0 gr IMR 700-X 838 fps Win LP guest
Speer 200 grain Gold Dot HP at just under the max listed at the Speer website. Starline unfired nickle-plated brass. Shot in a Charter Arms Bulldog Pug 2.5" barrel (2006 production), 838 fps SD13. 15 Yard 5-shot gruop offhand 1.1". Recoil quite manageable and plenty more powerful than a .38 snub.

Email author: kuduking
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200gr JHP 6.0 gr 700-X 838 fps Win LP guest
Here’s a nice standard pressure defense load based on Speer data, with the 200 grain Gold Dot HP bullet in Starline nickel brass. SD was only 8 and in the Charter Bulldog Pug it was amazingly accurate with a 2" offhand group at 25 yards. Recoil was quite manageable.

Email author: kuduking
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208gr LSWC 5.7 gr unique 705 fps 1.250" Win LP guest
this is a Lee wadcutter fired from a Taurus 445 2" barrel.

208gr LFP 4.3 gr Trail Boss Unknown Win LP guest
This load uses the Lee 429-208-WC seated at the crimping groove with a good crimp. First batch all went into the black.


235gr LSWC-HP 7.0 gr Unique (Alliant) 929 fps cgruv" CCI SP guest
From 6.5 Heritage Mod 24. Printed a .95" five at 25yards group from this revolver with a dot sight installed. The bullet is the keith type lyman swchp cast from chilled shot.

Email author: cumpston
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240gr LSWC 7.5 gr Unique 950 fps 1.5" WLP Admin
Classic Skeeter Skelton load, no 44 Special database is complete without this one.

Email author: johnk
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240gr LSWC 4.6 gr No. 2 620 fps 1.5" WLP guest
Very light load, similar to current factory loads.

240gr LSWC 5.1 gr HP38 765 fps 1.5" WLP guest


240gr LSWC 5.0 gr Win 231 770 fps 1.55" Win LP guest
My favorite fun load in this caliber.

240gr LSWC 7.0 gr Win 231 920 fps CCI 300 guest
Shot thru my 44 mag 7.5 inch Redhawk is extremely accurate at all distances.

240gr JHP 3.8 gr Nitro 100 583 fps 1.485" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 3.4 gr


240gr JHP 4.0 gr S1000 587 fps 1.485" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 3.6 gr


240gr JHP 4.5 gr No. 2 604 fps 1.485" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 4.1 gr


240gr JHP 6.5 gr No. 5 730 fps 1.485" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 5.9 gr



240gr LSWC 13.2 gr H4227 947 fps 1.45" WLP Hodgdon
Suggested starting load: 11.9 gr

Pressure: 12,600 CUP


240gr LSWC 8.0 gr HS6 917 fps 1.45" WLP Hodgdon
Suggested starting load: 7.2 gr

Pressure: 13,000 CUP


240gr LSWC 5.6 gr Universal 873 fps 1.45" WLP Hodgdon
Suggested starting load: 5.0 gr

Pressure: 13,300 CUP


240gr LSWC 5.2 gr HP38 858 fps 1.45" WLP Hodgdon
Suggested starting load: 4.7 gr

Pressure: 13,200 CUP


240gr LSWC 4.8 gr TiteGroup 862 fps 1.45" WLP Hodgdon
Suggested starting load: 4.3 gr

Pressure: 13,100 CUP


240gr LSWC 4.0 gr CLAYS 771 fps 1.45" WLP Hodgdon
Suggested starting load: 3.6 gr

Pressure: 13,500 CUP


240gr Lead 4.9 gr Win 231 800 fps Winchester
Suggested starting load: 4.4 gr

Pressure: 13,000 CUP


240gr LSWC 7.3 gr Power Pistol 850 fps 1.480" Win LP guest
Velocity from 3" barrel. Warm load,but not excessive.

240gr JHP 15.0 gr 296 1,149 fps Hodgdon
Suggested starting load: 13.5 gr
Hodgdons 26th Ed, 7" test barrel.
Pressure: 15,400 CUP


240gr LSWC 4.3 gr bullseye Unknown CCI SP guest


240gr LFP 6.9 gr Unique 760 fps 1.462" CCI SP guest
A federal standard primer was used, and the bullet was crimped. Accuracy is excellent with this load from a 6" Colt Anaconda, with most holes almost touching.

Email author: shadowwodahs
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240gr LFP 4.8 gr 700X Unknown CCI SP guest
Lead SWC bullets. O.A.L. depends on bullet. Crimp into crimp groove. Very accurate. Stout! 4.3 is also very accurate. 700X beat out several fast powders in .44 Sp.

Email author: ac12

245gr LRN 4.5 gr S1000 791 fps 1.6" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 4.1 gr


245gr LRN 4.7 gr No. 2 819 fps 1.6" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 4.2 gr


245gr LRN 6.8 gr No. 5 860 fps 1.6" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 6.1 gr


Email author: cumpston
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248*gr LRN 6.0 gr Unique 870 fps crgrv" LP guest
From 6.5 Smith Heritage 24 Velocity (70degrees) is with "New Clean Unique" Five rounds with Old dirty Unique = 846 Five rounds with 1967 Hercules Unique+ 810 bullet is Ideal 429251

Email author: cumpston
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250gr L-429421 15.0 gr 2400 1,019 fps 1.56" WLP guest
Converted M-28 6 1/2" 1950 Target Barrel. This is a very accurate and sensible load for the M-24.


250gr LSWC 7.5 gr Unique 950 fps WLP Admin
Skeeters classic load with Keiths classic bullet makes a great combo. This load is well above todays typical factory 44 Special ammo but works well in most 5 shot 44 Specials. Consult the gun manuf before shooting this load if you have a new lightwight 44 Special.

Email author: johnk
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250gr LSWC 16.0 gr Lil’Gun 1,032 fps 1.59" WLP Admin
Velocity is from a 6" M29, from a 4" gun this load still does 972 fps. Shot to shot consistency is very good, around 20 fps extreme spread and less than 10 fps standard deviation in both guns. This is a very low pressure round and should be safe in any 44 Special.

Email author: johnk
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250gr LSWC 5.0 gr AA #2 imp 610 fps 1.57" Win LP guest
Lyman(Keith)429421 a nice accurate load fired from my Taurus 445 -2"brl. std. dev. of 6 fps.

Email author: bubby440
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250gr LSWC 7.0 gr Unique 760 fps 1.57" Win LP guest
Keith design,fired from Taurus 445(2").sharp recoil,but still manageable

Email author: bubby440
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250gr LSWC 4.2 gr Nitro 100 772 fps 1.575" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 3.8 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 14,000 CUP


250gr LSWC 4.3 gr Solo 1000 751 fps 1.575" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 3.9 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 14,000 CUP


250gr LSWC 5.0 gr AA #2 808 fps 1.575" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 4.5 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 13,900 CUP


250gr LSWC 7.0 gr AA #5 864 fps 1.575" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 6.3 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 14,000 CUP


250gr LSWC 9.0 gr AA #7 885 fps 1.575" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 8.1 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 14,000 CUP


250gr LSWC 11.5 gr AA #9 946 fps 1.575" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 10.4 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 14,000 CUP


250gr LSWC 12.5 gr 5744 737 fps 1.575" CCI 300 Accurate
Suggested starting load: 11.3 gr
7 1/5" test barrel
Midway cases
Pressure: 12,600 CUP


250gr LSWC 7.0 gr 700-X 980 fps Win LP guest
A "Skeeter Load" using 700-X in a Ruger Vaquero 5.5" .44 Magnum. Dry Creek Bullet Works 250 SWC Keith in Starline brass. 15 yard offhand 5-shot avg 0.9". Velocity over Shooting Chrony, SD 7.

Email author: kuduking
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250gr LSWC 14.3 gr 2400 1,005 fps Fed LP guest
I use this load in a 24-3 and get groups under 2".I set my length by sizeing OAL .20 less than the length of the cylender. I use BRP bullets.

I'd be interested as well.
Thanks in advance.

Pete

Gunhacker: Thanks for posting the pdf files. Good reading!

Ken Waters did a "Pet Loads" article on the .44 Special, which, according to my notes, was in the May 1981 Handloader. I don't have that magazine, so can't help out with a copy of the article. It would be a good article to add to the collection.

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S&WCA #1955, S&WHF #818

I'd like to have a copy.

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WAR EAGLE!

If I'm not mistaken, and I usually am, Mother Teresa was a member of the 44 Associates.

I belonged to a later group, similar to the ".44 Associates", but it included all calibers. It was called the American Reloaders Association, sponsored by Gun World Magazine. The mimeographed pages were called the A.R.A. Bulletin. It was active from September,1963 to about the end of 1967, or perhaps longer. Some of the former members of the .44 Associates were active in this one. Some big names were Dean Grennell, Homer Powley, P.O. Ackley, Jim Horton, Dan Cotterman, etc. Elmer Keith and others also wrote articles for the Bulletin.

I still have copies of about 50 of the bulletins, but the paper was cheap, and the type is slightly blurry. It was like putting all the famous handloading writers together into one publication, as well as the individual members' contributions. I think it petered out about 1968 or so.

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About older loading information: I'd like to inject a note or two of caution. Older data generated in the '30s, '40s and '50s is likely to have originated when balloon-head cases were the norm. Modern cases have solid heads with less capacity. Also, many of the powders that were available then have no modern counterparts. Some that still exist, like Unique, may have different burning rates. Interestingly, older Unique, made when Hercules was the manufacturer, does not deteriorate, and it is non-hygroscopic. Ancient cans of the stuff can still be loaded today. The modern Alliant stuff may or may not be equivalent.

I myself load .44 specials to a max of 1000 fps. Anything over that goes into a .44 Magnum revolver, and will be loaded in .44 Mag cases to prevent possible disaster.

The .44 Mag was invented to cure people of walking the thin line between hefty and kaboom with heavy-loaded .44 specials.

As always, a word to the wise should be sufficient!

John

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Thanks to Matt and Paul for posting the 1944 American Rifleman article. The praise for the Triple Lock makes me wish even more to find one, or at least handle a clean one to check it out.

By the way, my comment above about investigating the case capacity of semi-balloon cases in .44 Special, as part of the information quest, is just for the sake of acquiring knowledge, not to duplicate any old loads! As has been said, there is no future in risking injury to person or firearms, when modern hardware and known-safe loads will exceed handily [if sometimes painfully] any load the old days produced for the .44 Special.

Regards,

Dyson

Agreed ... why play around when Skeeters load of 7.5 Unique does this...

(I did shoot it out of my 624 also but WILL NOT out of my 696 - probably too stiff for the L frame on a regular basis)

Thanks, Paul, for the wonderful flashback from those three pages taken out of Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook of '58. I bought that little spiral book around 1959 or so when I was 20 and prob a sophomore in college. Those pages and others gave me a sense of peering into hitherto undiscovered secrets, as to which there were old masters who know it all and shared tidbits.

I noted then and now that many of the comments were from Montana and the west, rugged country that no doubt demanded rugged guns and rugged loads for - yes - wolves!! [see Thompson comments re 431244]

This is all part of the allure of the .44 Special - that when the chips were down, one wished for a cartridge, load and sixgun that would save the home, the children, the livestock and turn a night of terror into a day of counting fresh wolf pelts...

Thanks for sharing,

Dyson

If y'all can make it happen, count me in!

Anyone else care to supply a reference, article, or even the Grail - the 44 Associates' booklet??

Thanks to all who are helping and posting material..

Best,

Dyson

I donated a nearly complete collection of the Rifleman from 1942 to 1970 to the Hudson (NH)Rod and Gun Club in the late 1980s. Don't know if they still have them or not.

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I have sent an email to Steve, per his kind offer, and yet hope others may join in a discussion here, as well.

Regards,

Dyson

Ok... let's try this one more time:

http://hosted.filefront.com/gunhacker

This should bring up a webpage with the files list and download buttons to the right.

UPDATE: The files are now on a host server courtesy of member Matt G: 44_Special_Articles

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SWCA #1830 SWHF #222

I've always had an interest in the ".44 Associates" and would like to see their information.

Many thanks, Gunhacker, for this download offering. The resolution is very good.

Of the list of materials Steve Bryson detailed:
* he has posted the August 1944 American Rifleman article re Triple Lock and the 44 Special [and also "High Pressure and Duplex Loads", with two further pieces referencing the 44 Associates].

* Gunhacker has linked the Feb, May and Oct 1953 American Rifleman articles.

* Of the items Steve mentioned, this leaves just the 1949 American Rifleman article and the 44 Associates booklet to be found and made available, if we have a willing source.

* Also, if ANYONE HAS any further references to share, such as those requested by GLL, or any others, of relevance, please do step forward.

Thanks again to all who are participating in this history of the .44 Special as loaded by its devoted adherents, over its 102 years, with emphasis on the 44 Associates.

Regards,

Dyson

Hi Conrad:

Thanks for scanning and sharing the articles.

Unfortunately, the downloaded files are in ".exe" format, which don't work on my Mac ;(

Any chance these could be made available in pdf or jpg?

Regards

Ron

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I had suggested the same thing to a "famous" handgunner who has a copy about ten years ago, but he didn't seem have much interest.

E-mail sent to Steve.

Good shooting!

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