Traded a brand new Merwin Hulbert for a S&W Model 16-3 (sorta)

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Actually the company that was supposed to start building new Merwin Hulberts went under, but a different company acquired their assets and issued refunds to those who had put in a deposit or (like me) already paid in full for one. I got a refund check from them, as told here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/320075-i-received-refund-check-merwin-hulbert.html

As mentioned in my post, I immediately hit the “Buy It Now” button on a S&W Model 16-3 in .32 S&W Long, a gun that’s been on my bucket list for a while but I had almost given up on due to market prices. However this one was essentially the same price as the refund check that I had gotten (and had never expected to see) so the Model 16-3 was like free, right? Self-deception can be a wonderful thing….

So here it is. The listing had described it as , “…HERE IS ONE THAT IS NOT PERFECT BUT VERY COLLECTABLE. THE FACTORY BOX IS INCLUDED….”

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Well, it’s a box and it’s from the factory, but I’m pretty sure it’s not the box that it shipped in. It's hard to make out in the picture, but on one end the words “Highway Patrolman” and “Model 28” are marked out, and on the other end the label is similarly marked out and info for the Model 16-3 written in. Even if S&W didn’t have a Model 16 box laying around, I doubt that they would have used a Model 28 box that already had a label filled out. So the box is essentially worthless. However I was already sure that was the case from the picture in the GB listing, and I paid (in my mind) for the gun only. That actually suits me just fine – I didn’t want a safe queen anyway, but a shooter. Boxes are just extra junk that I have to store because they have too much value these days to throw away.


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The gun has a little muzzle wear, which again suits me as it is a shooter.

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Obviously a Model 14 overstamp. I don't think S&W was making dedicated Model 16 frames much in 1971, which is when the SCSW places it.

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The grips are targets with gold medallions. As I’ve mentioned in other posts I pretty much don't care for S&W factory grips of any description for shooting as none of them fit my hand, so these will come off and something comfortable goes on when I shoot the gun. They're okay for lookin' at though.


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With the grips off, it is evident that no corrosion has gone on under the wood as sometimes happens.

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Lookin’ good….

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Awwww, dammitalltohell! :mad::mad::mad:


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Well okay, it’s still a shooter and at least it’s hidden on the grip frame, but still….


The SCSW dates it to around 1971. I wonder if RS was the original owner, and if the gun had sat around on a dealer’s shelf for five years. The no-good so-and-so probably paid diddly for it but then still thought it was valuable enough to scratch his Social Security number on it. Ought track ‘im down and slap him upside the head, except he’s probably dead by now anyway.
 
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I should of dug deeper in my pocket to try to get that one!! I am glad you got it and let us know how it shoots!!
 
Nice!

Obviously this has the serial number in the yoke cut. What determines what guns have ser.no. in yoke cut vs assembly numbers?
 
Great buy! Speaking personally, I would much rather have a "real" Model 16-3 than a "recreated" M&H anyway... I think you came out way ahead on this deal, but that's just IMHO, of course. I'm especially glad you mention the plans to shoot it vs "make it a safe queen." That's a gun that was meant to be shot and yours is of a grade that even a lot of shooting (with proper care, of course) will have no impact on the value, and that value will continue to climb anyway. Congratulations on getting what for many of us is a bucket list gun of the first magnitude!

Froggie
 
However this one was essentially the same price as the refund check that I had gotten (and had never expected to see) so the Model 16-3 was like free, right? Self-deception can be a wonderful thing….

The no-good so-and-so probably paid diddly for it but then still thought it was valuable enough to scratch his Social Security number on it. Ought track ‘im down and slap him upside the head, except he’s probably dead by now anyway.

I like the way you think. I believe that many of us on the forum think the same way.
 
Your grips appear to be Rosewood and will fetch a pretty penny if you decide to sell them.I am no expert but the color and the long grain point to Rosewood.
 
I just hope you have as much enjoyment as I do shooting my 16-4 and loading for it. Several people have recommended reaming it out for 327 Federal, but I'm pretty sure mine will stay all original. The 32 H&R Mag is proving to be a really accurate round also, but I shoot more 32 SWL's than H&R's.
 
My $.02. It's been refinished (bluing in bottom of SS#) and I've never personally seen any gold medalian S&W grips before (maybe someone refinished these also). I could be wrong if someone else knows different, please set me right? Why would someone pencil out and cross out information on the box? Still looks to be a good shooter.
Steve
 
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Robert J. Szesny, 2 March 1934 - 10 November 2004. Died in Salt Lake City. Looks like he acquired it in May 1976.

VERY nice Model 16, correct box or no.

David, I also had done an internet search on the SS# and came up with the same name and dates. I guess I can't be too mad at Mr. Szesny at this point, and I'm sure I've done stupid stuff that someone else will curse me for later.


My $.02. It's been refinished (bluing in bottom of SS#) and I've never personally seen any gold medalian S&W grips before (maybe someone refinished these also). I could be wrong if someone else knows different, please set me right? Why would someone pencil out and cross out information on the box? Still looks to be a good shooter.
Steve

The SS engraving only appears to be blue in the picture due to lighting - in real life, it is shiny as expected. And the gun appears righteous in other aspects.

Regarding the grips, since S&W ceased the practice of numbering them to the gun there is no real way to determine their provenance. A factory letter would perhaps tell the type but even then there's no way to be sure that these are the grips that shipped with the gun.

As regards the box - if it is not THE original factory box that the gun shipped in, why would anyone want any kind of replacement box? Yet people do buy boxes to "complete" or enhance their collection. Someone may have thought "hey, a box is a box" and altered this one to "match". I don't care that this box is worthless as I am not that kind of collector - yet.


Definitely worth what you paid for it!
I'm surprised the "usual suspects" let this one get away. ;)

Tom, weren't you one of the "usual suspects" that was bidding on this? :p As well as Peyton?


Does that revolver letter as a Model 16 or was it originally a 14 that has been converted with a Model 16 barrel and cylinder?

I haven't had the gun long enough to letter it, but I doubt that it is a conversion. It's my understanding that it was not uncommon for S&W to pull a Model 14 frame for building a Model 16 and overstamp it. And I doubt that a custom smith would bother to overstamp the model number.
 
I haven't had the gun long enough to letter it, but I doubt that it is a conversion. It's my understanding that it was not uncommon for S&W to pull a Model 14 frame for building a Model 16 and overstamp it. And I doubt that a custom smith would bother to overstamp the model number.

I don't think there's any doubt about this being an original 16-3. I've owned two 16-3's and have seen several more, and every one has been overstamped the same way (including the one given away in the S&W Historical Association raffle a few months ago). As mentioned before, I believe that by the time the -3 engineering change came along, orders were so infrequent that the factory didn't even bother to stamp dedicated frames for them. When an order did come in, they would just overstamp a Model 14 frame and fit it with a Model 16 barrel and cyllinder.

I've seen two different factory boxes with 16-3's, both of them 2-piece blue. One had the Model 16 information printed on the end in sliver, and the other was a Model 14 box with a factory Model 16 sticker pasted over the end.
 

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I don't think there's any doubt about this being an original 16-3. I've owned two 16-3's and have seen several more, and every one has been overstamped the same way (including the one given away in the S&W Historical Association raffle a few months ago). As mentioned before, I believe that by the time the -3 engineering change came along, orders were so infrequent that the factory didn't even bother to stamp dedicated frames for them. When an order did come in, they would just overstamp a Model 14 frame and fit it with a Model 16 barrel and cyllinder.

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Here are few comments about model number overstamps that I found via the Search function:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1961-1980/258052-model-16-3-k-32-a.html

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1961-1980/225789-model-16-model-15-a.html

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-re...-rare-k32-model-16-target-3ts.html#post880745
 
The "Engraving" aside, you still got a pretty good deal on your 16-3. I placed an early bid myself the first time it was listed (when the reserve was not met) and had some communication with the seller.

The K-32's/Model 16's are my favorite revolvers, so I usually keep an eye out for them. Seems like more of them than usual are coming out of the woodwork lately. In addition to the 4" K-32 that has caused so much discussion here on the forum, there is also a 16-2 and a 16-3 currently listed for sale on GB. I even have a spare 16-3 myself that I may consider selling in the near future...;)
 
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