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How about a .500 Magnum thread -- All models Pros & Cons!
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84CJ
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I have the 10 5/8 PC 500. great revolver......but I prefer the 7.5 inch 460 shown below.
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Mule88
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I have the 6 1/2 inch version, I find it a great compromise in portability, shootability and weight.
Did they ever make one in 5 inch ? I'd buy one in a NY minute. I've seen a comp without holes somewhere, maybe 500 MN had one.
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The John Ross special Performance Center version is 5 inch. It has a muzzle nut on the front. Not my favorite look, but supposed to be very functional.
quickdraw is correct, the John Ross gun is a 5" with a barrel nut, no comp, on the end. It also has a quicker twist and closer barrel/cylinder-gap tolerances and is intended for shooting the heavier bullets, 700 grainers. Ouch.
I'd love to have one. I personally think they look cool. I already have a 4" and an 8 3/8" standard versions, so am having a hard time justifying the $ to get a 3rd 500. If I had it to do all over again, though, I'd definitely get the JR 5" and kill two birds with one stone. Check it out. John Ross Website Store
The 700s don't hurt but they sure push back!
The 600s are fun and fly 'true' better for me than the 700 grain blunt lump, even with the 1:10 twist.
The 300gr FTX and H110 is a bug-hole accurate hoot and at ~2000 fps I don't feel like the 460 can do that much more than I can.
bigshot500
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The 500 does NOT use 1:10 twist, S&W uses a gain twist in the handgun. and if you think the 700's dont hurt, your not loading max charge of H110 or lilgun. They will slam your palm harder then any handgun or rifle made..
Mine does, wanna see? I shoot my gun, I don't just talk about it and act tough.
You've stuck a 100% load density charge of H110 under a 700 grain bullet? Please post video.
DonD
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Bigshot, I think you're mistaken. The 460s use gain twist to minimize slugs "skidding" as they hit the rifling from the .460s higher velocity. .500s use standard rifling. Don
I’m thinking Bendutro has the JR model 500 Smith, which does have a 1:10 twist. I also have the JR model. I haven’t messed with the 700 grain but I have with the 600 and @ 1,160fps the recoil isn’t all that bad – a tad less felt recoil than a 500 grain @ 1,300fps. I would think if you pushed to 1,300fps and beyond it would be a wakeup call. Haven’t seen a need to go there yet with 600 grains.
For those with the JR model – I sent mine back to S&W, as the cylinder would bind occasionally. Smith advised the problem was with the barrel and they returned it with a cylinder gap set at 0.007. They stated I would not experience that problem again with a cylinder gap of 0.006/0.007. I haven’t noticed any difference in velocity/accuracy with the larger gap. I know of two other JR models that experienced the same problem after a couple thousand rounds and Smith returned those revolvers with 0.006/0.007 cylinder gaps and the revolvers aren’t any different relative to accuracy.
For those with the JR model – I sent mine back to S&W, as the cylinder would bind occasionally. Smith advised the problem was with the barrel and they returned it with a cylinder gap set at 0.007. They stated I would not experience that problem again with a cylinder gap of 0.006/0.007. I haven’t noticed any difference in velocity/accuracy with the larger gap. I know of two other JR models that experienced the same problem after a couple thousand rounds and Smith returned those revolvers with 0.006/0.007 cylinder gaps and the revolvers aren’t any different relative to accuracy.
Right you are! Was the cylinder bind a wear issue or an issue with the B/C gap when things warm up a bit after a a few loads ammo are sent down range? I've not had an issue with mine at all but I'm not at the 1000 round mark yet.
Redhawk1
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I have owned 5 of the 500 Mags from 2003 tell today. I had 3 of the 8 3/8 inch, a 4 inch and a 10 inch, and I sold all but one of my 8 3/8 inch to my buddies. I don't ever see myself without a 500 mag...
The tech advised it was a B/C gap problem. I asked for an explanation why that happened and he couldn't properly explain why but indicated the barrel was the problem. I asked about the barrel nut possibly being the culprit but he didn't know if that was a factor or not. I then asked why they didn't return it to the original specs of 0.003 cylinder gap and all he basically said was the revolver was returned within their specs and to just shoot it - so that's what I'm doing. I communicate via e-mail with a guy that had the same problem - I'll ask him what explanation he got but I think he just got the run-around too, as otherwise I think he would have mentioned it in his last e-mail, as he was a little disappointed with the outcome.
500 Magnum Nut
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I dug a few out of the berm 2 days ago. Now these are slugs! 
bigshot500
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your correct, I was incorrect. the 500 uses a 1:10 twist. the article that I had read was talking about the 460 and well...I assumed.
on the other side..I have loaded 25 grains of H110 behind the Trex 700 grain gas check hard cast hand load...its a full max load and is compressed a bit when loaded. I have also loaded 27.5 grains of lil gun..also a max load. These when fired will kick harder (I dont use a glove) then any other handgun or rifle short of a nitro double rifle. If time permits in the next few days (holidays) I will post a vid..
on the other side..I have loaded 25 grains of H110 behind the Trex 700 grain gas check hard cast hand load...its a full max load and is compressed a bit when loaded. I have also loaded 27.5 grains of lil gun..also a max load. These when fired will kick harder (I dont use a glove) then any other handgun or rifle short of a nitro double rifle. If time permits in the next few days (holidays) I will post a vid..
DonD
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I've learned on the internet not to make personal comments on people's reloading practices but I will forward an item from a highly qualified source. I faxed Ranger Rick's load data for the .500 Mag to Ron Rieber, a senior ballistician with Hodgdon Powder Co. He said that the loads were WAY over his recommendation by some 20%. Use this as you will.
Personally, I don't want to exceed Hodgdon's recommendation and rely on the brute strength of the X-frame to keep me out of trouble. Don
bigshot500
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I have shot well over 400 rounds of the loads listed with zero issues, no pressure problems. the load data that i posted was worked up gradually and I have seen it posted on several other sites that I frequent since I have used it so others also have had good success with the powder quoted..
handloads.com has similar load data posted with only a caution telling people to be careful that these are max loads...
interestly enough hodgdon does not have any load data for the 700 grain hard cast listed, they stop at 500 grains. this is from their site....
500 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H4227 .500" 2.065" 30.0 1360 42,300 PSI 32.2 1436 49,300 PSI
500 GR. HDY SP Winchester 296 .500" 2.065" 31.0 1400 34,400 PSI 33.0 1482 51,900 PSI
500 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H110 .500" 2.065" 31.0 1400 34,400 PSI 33.0 1482 51,900 PSI
500 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon Lil'Gun .500" 2.065" 27.0 1356 41,700 PSI 30.0 1463 50,100 PSI
500 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon Longshot .500" 2.065" 16.0 1115 39,200 PSI 18.5 1222 50,400 PSI
500 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon Titegroup .500" 2.065" 13.0 1020 40,200 PSI 15.0 1111
handloads.com has similar load data posted with only a caution telling people to be careful that these are max loads...
interestly enough hodgdon does not have any load data for the 700 grain hard cast listed, they stop at 500 grains. this is from their site....
500 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H4227 .500" 2.065" 30.0 1360 42,300 PSI 32.2 1436 49,300 PSI
500 GR. HDY SP Winchester 296 .500" 2.065" 31.0 1400 34,400 PSI 33.0 1482 51,900 PSI
500 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon H110 .500" 2.065" 31.0 1400 34,400 PSI 33.0 1482 51,900 PSI
500 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon Lil'Gun .500" 2.065" 27.0 1356 41,700 PSI 30.0 1463 50,100 PSI
500 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon Longshot .500" 2.065" 16.0 1115 39,200 PSI 18.5 1222 50,400 PSI
500 GR. HDY SP Hodgdon Titegroup .500" 2.065" 13.0 1020 40,200 PSI 15.0 1111
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Your grasp of facts is tenuous, at best. 7P's and my own model are a 1:10 twist. S&W's factory production 500's are not, they use a 1:18.75 twist almost exclusively. The faster twist of the JR model was specifically selected for stabilizing the heavier bullets.
I don't think the target cares how hard the gun recoiled or how much throat erosion and flame cutting is occuring when you miss. With that twist and that bullet, you're going to be keyholing the target in probably 100 yards or so. But hey, as long as you get to keep bragging that's all that counts, huh?
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