Tyler T Grip company shutdown - shipping again

wrangler5 · Jun 28, 2011

There may be no traceable physical presence for the Tyler manufacturing operation, but all the money that folks have paid Tyler had to go somewhere, and the officers of the company are accountable for it.

Has anyone who paid by check looked at the back of their cleared check to see where it was deposited? Tyler didn't take credit cards, so there's no information path there, but all the checks and money orders had to get deposited somewhere. I doubt that a bank is likely to be forthcoming with customer info based on an inquiry from a private party, but perhaps there are lawyers who could legitimately make an inquiry in advance of litigation? (I'm not a litigator, so maybe that doesn't happen in the real world - it's just a thought.)

OK Hog Shooter · Jun 28, 2011

wrangler5 - those are good points. I'm local to the the OKC metro and was simply seeing what I could find out "on the ground". I have resisted the urge to acquire a T-Grip directly from the source, so I have no other way or reason to pursue this other than to try to help answer some questions that had been previously raised on this thread.

ladder13 · Jun 28, 2011

Sad that a once, well-established and respected American manufacturing company, has stooped to this level.

CelticSire · Jun 28, 2011

Better Business Bureau listing for Tyler manufacturing: Tyler Manufacturing Business Review in Oklahoma City, OK - Central Oklahoma BBB

"In a call from the company's management in November 2010, the company will no longer accept or respond to customer complaints processed by the Better Business Bureau. Company management states that, due to unforeseen staffing issues, it has fallen behind on a number of projects and has made its customers aware of that shortfall. To respond to further complaints takes away from the company's efforts to catch up on the pending projects."

Broker50 · Jun 28, 2011

Since no one else has stated the obvious, I'm going to. These are criminal actions, pure & simple. This is "theft by deception", & the total amount is certainly a felony. Even if not considered as a total, there are enough individual misdemeanor counts to add up to some serious jail time for these thieves. Seems to me, some of you who are out money, need to file a criminal complaint with the local police at least. Since this involves mail fraud, the USPS Inspectors really should be the agency of enforcement. Maybe if it was pointed out to the Postal Service Inspectors that this is not an isolated incident involving a few dollars, but could total five or six figures, maybe it would get their attention. If it was terrorists laundering money every alphabet soup agency in the country would be all over it, trying to get on the news. I guess it's a good thing for me that I never liked "Tyler T's", or I would probably be losing out here, too. Rant off.

sza · Jun 28, 2011

wrangler5 said:
Has anyone who paid by check looked at the back of their cleared check to see where it was deposited? Tyler didn't take credit cards, so there's no information path there, but all the checks and money orders had to get deposited somewhere. I doubt that a bank is likely to be forthcoming with customer info based on an inquiry from a private party, but perhaps there are lawyers who could legitimately make an inquiry in advance of litigation? (I'm not a litigator, so maybe that doesn't happen in the real world - it's just a thought.)

The reverse of my check which cleared 3/14/2011 has no endorsement signature, but has the following text:

>9 digits which may be an account number<
FNB Midwest City
2011-03-11
9 digits which may be an account number
Motor Bank

I omitted the potential account numbers here but if someone wants to investigate I will provide them in private.

Reacher (Said Nothing) · Jun 28, 2011

Tyler Check...

Here's a copy from the back of my check. No date. The check was written on 12/1/10. BTW, I filed a second complaint with the USPS. I pointed out the potential size of the fraud. I see that Tyler's web site is still up and running. Like I said before, the USPS mail fraud division is just like Chicago politicians! Useless!
Maybe mtngunr will share that cell phone number with us?

yanici · Jun 28, 2011

Shame you guys are out the bucks. I wonder why someone in China isn't jumping in and manufacturing these little grips. They could pound out a couple of thousand an hour.

Reacher (Said Nothing) · Jun 28, 2011

BK Grips - Made in America!

This is why!

Erich · Jun 28, 2011

Someone here is making them, John.

Okay, writing as a someone who's been a prosecutor . . . I know a number of you contacted the AG and got the runaround. Anyone called the local DA? Or the local paper . . . to talk about the AG's lack of response? While it's probably a violation of federal postal laws, it's certainly a violation of state law as well.

It seems like the kind of story that interests folks (look at all of us following along here), perhaps it might sell papers as well.

buff51 · Jun 29, 2011

I've tried to call them many times and have never received an answer. I paid for a t-grip in February 2011--they cashed my check within seven days, but I have never received my t-grip.

sheriffoconee · Jun 29, 2011

I got ripped of on a forum for 350 bucks (and the idiot KNEW I was a peace officer, I think he enjoyed it)....
Took a while, but I gathered information from others he had ripped off, talked to an investigator in California, and send him the proof of payment, name, address and phone numbers of all us victims.....
He locked the guy up.....spent 20 something days in a LA County Jail, and later plead guilty to some sort of almost nothing crime....but that wasn't the point, we pushed it as far as we could....
I STRONGLY suggest someone take the lead, gather up ALL copies of checks or other forms of payment, a list of victims names, addresses, email address and phone numbers..and contact a local detective.....ONE guy, preferably a supervisor......and direct all the gathered information to him or her....
Other than that, complaining on the internet is all that is being done.....the US Attorney isn't going to take the case from the Postal Inspectors, and one or two calls to two or three cops isn't gonna cut it.....
Gather it up, pile it up, and forward it at ONE time.....

Loco Weed · Jun 30, 2011

sheriffoconee said:
I got ripped of on a forum for 350 bucks (and the idiot KNEW I was a peace officer, I think he enjoyed it)....
Took a while, but I gathered information from others he had ripped off, talked to an investigator in California, and send him the proof of payment, name, address and phone numbers of all us victims.....
He locked the guy up.....spent 20 something days in a LA County Jail, and later plead guilty to some sort of almost nothing crime....but that wasn't the point, we pushed it as far as we could....
I STRONGLY suggest someone take the lead, gather up ALL copies of checks or other forms of payment, a list of victims names, addresses, email address and phone numbers..and contact a local detective.....ONE guy, preferably a supervisor......and direct all the gathered information to him or her....
Other than that, complaining on the internet is all that is being done.....the US Attorney isn't going to take the case from the Postal Inspectors, and one or two calls to two or three cops isn't gonna cut it.....
Gather it up, pile it up, and forward it at ONE time.....

And let us hope that the person who "takes the lead on this" and gathers all that personal information isn't himself an identity thief. Who can you trust? How do we know that Tyler isn't monitoring this forum and finding out what our next move will be or spreading misinformation?
Is the Tyler situation under discussion on any other web sites?

Reacher (Said Nothing) · Jun 30, 2011

See page 17. BillBingham2 was going to gather up all the information from us that are being *wronged* and sort it out.
Still waiting on that.

HeyJoe · Jun 30, 2011

as i mentioned previously i had a similiar situation with a holster maker in ohio. the attorney general there simply had to write a letter to the transgressor and lo and behold holsters and /or refunds started to appear forthwith. The Oklahoma Attorney Generals office has not been responsive from what i gather wether out of sheer laziness or short staffing i dont know but they are not living up to their mission. If it were me id call and go up the food chain and mention the potential size of this fraud. The district attorney for the county where the checks were sent to is another phone call to make. The FBI has an internet fraud site, but i found it to be utterly useless i contacted them and heard nothing back. This is just such an obvious case of outright fraud that i wouldnt sit back and do nothing even if it was just $35 i had lost.

dptymrshl · Jul 7, 2011

I've written Tyler off as a bad experience. I ordered 2 T-Grips last October. They cashed my check inside a week. They said at that time there was about an 8 week delivery schedule. I started trying to contact them in January. Dozens of phone calls for the last 6 weeks with only a "call back later" phone message until the latest "this number has been disconnected" death knell. Also sent a half-dozen letters with no response.

I have 4 revolvers with T-Grips on them and have always liked them. It's a shame the family let old man Melvin down when he fell ill and ruined his professional reputation by continuing to accept and spend peoples money and solicit more when it became apparent they couldn't deliver.

Armyphotog · Jul 8, 2011

Tyler is bogus, since other family members took it over. I don't know why they aren't in jail for mail fraud. They cash your checks and never deliver the goods. They took me for $168.00. State Attorney General's Office won't do anything, and refers you to the Federal Postal Inspector's Office. Maybe, if they get a couple of thousand complaints they will look in to it. Don't hold your breath.

mkk41 · Jul 8, 2011

Don't know if they were real or not , but the latest ones I saw were plastic , not aluminum.

They go for silly prices on Ebay.

GunHoarder · Jul 11, 2011

Tyler T-Grips are Aluminum in brushed or polished aluminum finishes or powder coated matte or glossy black or a semi-gloss gold (Manganese Bronze).
Tyler Trigger Shoes are the the same.
Flaig's ACE Trigger Shoes are Steel.
Pachmayr Grip Adapters are Black Plastic.
S&W Marked Grip Adapters are the same as Pachmayr in Black Plastic.
Thanks -db- for the corrections, GunWhoreDer

-db- · Jul 11, 2011

GunWhoreDer said:
Tyler T-Grips are Aluminum in Black, Polished, and Gold (Manganese).
Tyler Trigger Shoes are the the same.
Flaig's ACE Trigger Shoes are all Blued Steel.
Pachmayr Grip Adapters are Plastic in Black.
S&W Marked Grip Adapters seem to be same as Tyler Adapters.
Hope this info Helps, GunWhoreDer

A few corrections:

Just before the business went kaput, Tyler's T-grips were manufactured from aluminum in either brushed or polished plain finishes or powder coated matte or glossy black or a semi-gloss gold color. I believe it's only very early gold-colored T-grips that were actually cast in bronze (or whatever material was used).

Flaig's/Ace trigger shoes can be found in a variety of finishes, including nickel.

S&W monogrammed plastic grip adapters appear to be copies of or manufactured by Mershon/Pachmayr, not Tyler.

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