Project 616

Green Frog

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Well, I've seen so much about the Model 16/K-32 that for years I have "just had to have one." I bought one of the 16-4s when they came out (in the 6" version) but for embarrassing reasons let it get away from me. :( Recently I decided, thanks to many postings on this board that the time was right for me to build the gun S&W should have built but didn't, the Model 616. To make this possible I got a Model 617 barrel and cylinder to have reworked to make my 32 caliber components. :)

I found and bought a reasonably priced Model 67 that I planned on using as my foundation, but it has a narrow rib and a pair of bevels on the front of the frame, so it doesn't match up to the 617 barrel. :confused: Therefore, I dragged out my old Model 66 (no dash) and took it along with the Model 617 cylinder to a well-known gunsmith in Ohio on Tuesday. The 4" Model 617 barrel will leave here today for reboring and then be forwarded from there to the 'smith. Now comes the hardest part... the waiting! :o

Meanwhile, I still haven't seen just the right holster for a 4" K-frame with full underlug. Still looking. I did find out that the 4" Model 67 I bought has a sweet trigger and was otherwise pretty nice except for ratty grips and a broken rear sight blade. The Ohio Gun Collectors' Show gave me the opportunity to replace both of those at pretty reasonable prices, so now I have a very nice Model 67 that looks like it will be a keeper. It's kinda like a stainless K-38 Combat Masterpiece. You can never have too many Smiths, I guess. ;)

Stay tuned for the progress report. This should be a fun project. :cool:

Froggie

PS I guess I shoulda' mentioned that I decided to go whole hog on the 32 cal and have it chambered to 327 Fed Mag. This way I can shoot all of the regular 32 cal pistol rounds from 32 ACP to 327 FM as the mood strikes me. That way I'll have maximum flexibility for my investment. :D
 
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"Great Idea"

You are correct, S&W likely would have had a big hit had they chosen to offer something similar, I'm sorry that the M-67 was not quite suited but the M-66 will surely do your project proud. Since you did not say I suppose you are going to Have it chambered for the .327 Magnum caliber to take advantage of the versatility? Am looking forward to seeing the finished product and the range report.


Rereading you post you did say, sorry I missed it the first time! I do like your project!!!
 
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From what I have read, the idea is not totally original with me. Have any readers of this forum already done what I am in the process of doing? I have seen references to several folks building blued pseudo K-32s of one sort or another, but I haven't been able to find a firm reference to anyone building a stainless "K-32" with underlug barrel and 327 Fed Mag chambering. Am I about to "... boldly go where no man has gone before" or can somebody tell me about how they have done the same thing (successfully or unsuccessfully?)

Froggie
 
this sounds really cool. i cant wait to see it.....I would also like to know the breakdown of the cost of this project. I may tackle this
 
Mine is blue because I had an 8-3/8" Model 16-4 barrel to work with. I had Mr. Bowen put mine together on a pre-Model 15 5-screw frame and a Model 17 cylinder (so the case heads would be recessed like all good magnum cartridges are supposed to be!).
 
this sounds really cool. i cant wait to see it.....I would also like to know the breakdown of the cost of this project. I may tackle this

If you are going to go stainless, the only model that will work is the Model 66... and you will have to decide which mark number etc. you want to use. I had a 66 no dash that has been through a lot since I bought it used over 20 years ago and which I finally decided deserved to be part of this grand experiment.

The Model 617 barrels are still available new from various vendors for something on the order of $150-175. Some shopping around may get you a better deal there. I like the 4" because I had a 6" Model 16-4 and it was a little nose heavy with the full underlug. The cylinder is the sticking point, as 617s come in both 6 shot and 10 shot variations and only the former will work here. I got lucky and found one in stock @ GPC for right at $100. Their website showed them out of stock at last check, but it's always worth a look. Otherwise, just keep looking until you find one or contact Hamilton Bowen for one of his custom made cylinders for a couple of hundred bucks. :rolleyes:

The reboring of the barrel is being done at Clearwater Reboring in Washington and comes to about $150 plus shipping, and I am having Andy Horvath do the rest of the work on mine. Since he gave me a range of prices on the work depending on what additional fitting was needed, I don't have a solid price on that yet to quote. Time quoted on the barrel is 8-10 weeks and the whole project at 4-5 months. :o

The article cited by samwood (thanks for that, by the way!) has "my" gun on the title page and a pretty thorough description of just what I have ordered, so now I am much more confident it will work. :D

All for now... stay tuned for more exciting developments. ;)

Froggie
 
Add me to the addict list too. Have picked up a nice model 66 for the base gun. Now the quest for barrel & cylinder begins. I'm thinking maybe a 5 incher. That would certainly be different.
 
If David is in favor of it, I know I'm on the right track! :D

CL66, I think you will find that the 6" barrel for the Model 617 can be bobbed off to whatever length you want then have the front sight remounted to the rib or perhaps a different sight added. I've never had the fascination with 5" K-frame guns, although I like them OK for the N-frames. YMMV, though, and if you are paying to get a gun you want, you should get exactly what you want... that's why you are building custom instead of taking an off-the-shelf model. :cool:

Froggie

PS Still looking for any tried and tested 327 FM reloading data using heavy (120-125 gr) cast bullets. Anybody?? :confused:
 
Guys, this has me pumped up. I would love to have a 5" barrel smith and wesson in 327 federal. I would like it to be fairly lightweight to pack around and hunt with. I am trying to figure out what my best route would be to proceed. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
 
While I have "looked with favor" on many custom revolvers, better examples of some fine factory revolvers always catch my eyes and my pocketbook. I am little interested in "bling" but want accuracy and "practical" calibers. In the past, I did a lot of hunting and nearly always had a revolver with me even if it was not the primary tool.

Frankly, I can't see paying a couple or three thousand dollars for a piece that is just a little bit better than standard. I treasure both of my S&W 624's (bought when they first came out) and you can name dozens of your favorite factory revolvers that are "just right" as they came. THOSE are the ones that have captured my fancy.

On the other hand, Green Frog's new custom has MUCH to commend it. If I didn't already have several nice .32 H&R magnums, I would have to jump on the band wagon. This is a practical AND desirable custom in most every way. I'm hoping that the Frog will allow me to shoot it when he brings it by for an admiration party...

Dale53
 
Dale53,

Maybe I should plan on going up to LaGrange in person to pick up my finished "616" then circle by Casa 53 so I can wring it out @ the BCSC range. I should have a few hundred assorted rounds of ammo loaded for it by then since I've ordered that 1000 rounds of StarLine brass and scored a couple more .313" diam. moulds. Maybe I'll even let you shoot it too, if you ask real nice and bribe me with grilled food! :D

Froggie
 
GF, I gave my 17-2 to Andy on Feb 5th to make into a 32 long with a 5" bbl. It will have a Weigand interchangeable front sight base on it. The bbl is stuck in Washington state with 2 Colt bbl's that Andy is waiting for. Been 6 mos so far. I also have a set of Keith Brown exhibition English walnut grips with the Roper style checkering waiting for it to come home. Its my bucket list gun, always wanted a custom gun. A K-32 shooter is over 2 grand but still a good value. Good luck on the stainless .32, Larry
 
How about a 66 .22

Now my mind is thinking is it possible to do a 617 barrel and cylinder swap on a 66 and have a .22 66 ? That would be my ideal of the prefect practice for my other 66's. Thanks tbird
 
I've never been a fan of the .32s, as I've always seen them as a bit useless comapred to what I can load a .38/.357 to do.

With that said, I have the American Handgunner with the article detailing the information on the Bowen Model 66 shown near the top of this thread. Ever since I saw that, I've had a mild interest. I can't help but think that fine little custom 66 with a .32 Keith bullet from the Cast Boolits group buy would be a huge load of fun, and maybe something truly terrific for small game.
 
I have some 357's also but the 32 is an old accurate classic round that is fun to shoot. Its cheap to reload also. Last Sat I bought 2000 32 bullets from my LGS. Can't wait, it should be done soon. I called Clearwater reboring and they do work for Andy. They said my bbl was shipped back to Ohio. Larry
 
Now my mind is thinking is it possible to do a 617 barrel and cylinder swap on a 66 and have a .22 66 ? That would be my ideal of the prefect practice for my other 66's. Thanks tbird

This will only work if you have some 22 centerfire ammo. :confused: Why bother? Isn't a 617 a 22 LR version of the 66 already? About the only difference I see is the full underlug barrel on the 617, but with your proposal, you would still have that.

Froggie
 
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