Need A Red Dot Suggestion For My New 327

Pdxrealtor · Jun 24, 2016

I just picked up a 327 TRR8 today, and I'd like to put a nice compact red dot on it.

What are some good middle of the line models? Not looking to drop 600 bucks on one, but not looking for the 20.00 dollar deal either.

I'd like to be able to shoot tight groups to 100 yards with this thing. Is that even possible?

qballwill · Jun 24, 2016

I am a die hard Vortex Optics fan. every optic I own whether it be on a rifle or revolver, magnified or red dot is a vortex. I currently run Vortex Sparc II on my 686 competitor and Ruger 22/45 to shoot 50 yard plates. They are a tad bulky for handguns, but work phenomenally. If you want something more compact, be sure to check out their "viper" and their "venom".
Vortex Optics - Viper Red Dot
Vortex Optics - Venom Red Dot

This is my competitor with the sparc II

Florida J Frame · Jun 24, 2016

Very happy with my Primary Arms Micro Dot

davetnitro · Jun 24, 2016

like qballwill, i am into vortex.. i've got a razor and sparcII, both are very nice....

Bruce in WV · Jun 24, 2016

Give the Ultradots serious consideration. There's a reason that you see more of them on the line at the big bullseye shoots than any other RDS, and they're very affordable. Ultradot USA Home

From the shootingusa.com web site:

"Red dot Optics are permitted on all classes of guns accepted for Bullseye competition. Most often the scope is an Ultra Dot with a 4 MOA dot. Or an Ultra Dot with a variable MOA Dot."

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gwpercle · Jun 24, 2016

Tight groups at 100 yards ? The red dot isn't going to do it. Look at scopes with at least 4X to 6X magnification.
At 100 yards the dot covers up too much of the target for precise shot placement , cross hairs work much better for tight groups at that distance .
Gary

Goodoljake · Jun 24, 2016

I'm happy with mine as it is. (and +100 for Vortex)

Jingles · Jun 24, 2016

Tight groups, probably not. Keep in mind most red dots in your price range will have a 5 moa dot, so that means the dot will cover a 5" space at 100 yards. Some will have a 3 moa dot, which is better.

To get tight groups at 100 yards you really need a scope. That said, I stuck a Bushnell First Strike 5 moa red dot on my R8 and am pleased with it. At 100 yards I can hit an 8" gong every time, so I am happy with that. It ran about $130 as I recall; battery life is good.

Pdxrealtor · Jun 24, 2016

qballwill said:
I am a die hard Vortex Optics fan. every optic I own whether it be on a rifle or revolver, magnified or red dot is a vortex. I currently run Vortex Sparc II on my 686 competitor and Ruger 22/45 to shoot 50 yard plates. They are a tad bulky for handguns, but work phenomenally. If you want something more compact, be sure to check out their "viper" and their "venom".
Vortex Optics - Viper Red Dot
Vortex Optics - Venom Red Dot

This is my competitor with the sparc II

davetnitro said:
like qballwill, i am into vortex.. i've got a razor and sparcII, both are very nice....

Goodoljake said:
I'm happy with mine as it is. (and +100 for Vortex)

A lot of happy Vortex owners. I'd be looking at the Venom as it's the 3 MOA I'm after. It's also low profile vs. the Razor.

I'm wondering why I don't see any Burris Fast Fires mentioned. It seems to be an almost equal product. Is the Venom that much better?

@qballwill - That's a beauty of a revolver you have there. Held one yesterday when buying my TRR8. Biggest downside for me is only six shots.

@davetnitro what revolver is that with the SparcII? Is the rail custom? I wanted to consider the 627 v-comp but the lack of rail turned me away .... for now.

Pdxrealtor · Jun 24, 2016

gwpercle said:
Tight groups at 100 yards ? The red dot isn't going to do it. Look at scopes with at least 4X to 6X magnification.
At 100 yards the dot covers up too much of the target for precise shot placement , cross hairs work much better for tight groups at that distance .
Gary

Jingles said:
Tight groups, probably not. Keep in mind most red dots in your price range will have a 5 moa dot, so that means the dot will cover a 5" space at 100 yards. Some will have a 3 moa dot, which is better.

To get tight groups at 100 yards you really need a scope. That said, I stuck a Bushnell First Strike 5 moa red dot on my R8 and am pleased with it. At 100 yards I can hit an 8" gong every time, so I am happy with that. It ran about $130 as I recall; battery life is good.

Good info. I will save the scope for my next AR build, which will be a full length rifle.

Pdxrealtor · Jun 24, 2016

Florida J Frame said:
Very happy with my Primary Arms Micro Dot

Is this the one you're talking about? Primary Arms Advanced Micro Dot with Push Buttons MD-ADS | Primary Arms

If so, I have it on my 300 BLK pistol. Too big for my TRR8

series guy · Jun 24, 2016

Allchin mount and a Burris Fastfire III is a great combo.

H Richard · Jun 24, 2016

If you are needing or wanting to consistently shoot at 100 yards, you need a scope, I would recommend at least a 4 to 6 power. The 6 minute red dot will cover 6 inches at 100 yards, not conducive to tight groups. For out to maybe 50 yards the red dot works well, but the further you get the smaller dot you want, even the 3 minute dot (hard to see in bright sunlight) will cover 1 1/2 inches at 50 yards.

Pdxrealtor · Jun 24, 2016

H Richard said:
If you are needing or wanting to consistently shoot at 100 yards, you need a scope, I would recommend at least a 4 to 6 power. The 6 minute red dot will cover 6 inches at 100 yards, not conducive to tight groups. For out to maybe 50 yards the red dot works well, but the further you get the smaller dot you want, even the 3 minute dot (hard to see in bright sunlight) will cover 1 1/2 inches at 50 yards.

Thanks. I prefer to be limited by whatever micro red dot I can put on this gun. If 50 yards is the limit so be it.

There's a lot of other toys to build for scopes 100 yard tight groups.

I think I will go with the Vortex Venom, unless I can read something that convinces me the Burris Fastfire is better.

I called and spoke with Primary Arms and they suggested the Vortex over the Burris, which seems to be the consensus here.

Goodoljake · Jun 24, 2016

Vortex Venom and Viper have the same base platform as the Burris so any of those adapters work. Plus it's 10% less or more on cost. But the lifetime warranty might be the best reason since it crushes any other product warranty out there.

Pdxrealtor · Jun 24, 2016

Thanks all. Just picked up the Vortex Venom

Wise_A · Jun 25, 2016

Bruce in WV said:
Give the Ultradots serious consideration. There's a reason that you see more of them on the line at the big bullseye shoots than any other RDS, and they're very affordable. Ultradot USA Home

Ultradots are excellent--I compete with a 25.

They're popular because they offer excellent price/performance, and a favorable parallax for 50-foot, 25- and 50-yard shooting. They also come with, iirc, a lifetime warranty, which is very nice when you slide-mount one to a .45.

If you were looking to drop a little less coin, the Bushnell TRS-25 can be had for well under a hundred. Cheapest price is on Amazon. I've done pretty well with one, and have occasionally thought about sticking it on my 629 every now and then for funtimes.

Pdxrealtor · Jun 25, 2016

Not to late for me to cancel my Vortex order....

should I just get a Trijicon rmr ?

Pdxrealtor · Jun 25, 2016

Thanks for bringing up the Ultradots again. I concluded they should not be ignored, and ordered the match dot 2.

I'm a bit concerned on the size of it, but really like the adjustable MOA and choice of reticles.

Good article here, though I think I'm more confused in the big picture.

Encyclopedia of Bullseye Pistol

I'll try the Vortex, and may just keep it for my 586 L comp if the match dot 2 works out. The L comp has the worst front sight I've seen on a revolver.

Really liking the looks of that Ultradot 6 for a future AR build also.

springer99 · Jun 25, 2016

Pdxrealtor said:
Thanks for bringing up the Ultradots again. I concluded they should not be ignored, and ordered the match dot 2. I'm a bit concerned on the size of it, but really like the adjustable MOA and choice of reticles.

Good article here, though I think I'm more confused in the big picture.
Encyclopedia of Bullseye Pistol

I'll try the Vortex, and may just keep it for my 586 L comp if the match dot 2 works out. The L comp has the worst front sight I've seen on a revolver.

Really liking the looks of that Ultradot 6 for a future AR build also.

Good choice for a rugged red-dot. They are "the" standard for bullseye for a good reason. FWIW, don't worry about a larger dot size being bad for accurate shooting. I've used an older Match-Dot 4 for some time with 4-8-12 and 16MOA dots. I loved the sight picture I got using a 12MOA. At 25 and 50yrds. that larger dot didn't quite cover the black area of the target and allowed me to use a "reverse halo" sight picture. I found that when I ended up with a black ring around the dot, I could shot 10's all day long.

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