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Odd 629-3
This came into the shop today. Guy sold it to me claimed his dad bought it new from S&W custom shop but I cant find anything like it.
It's a 629-3 44mag, with bone S&W logo grips. Could one of you more knowledgeable people point me in the direction of more info and possibly a price to list it at?
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02-04-2017, 06:21 PM
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My apologies the SN starts with PCJ00.
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I don't know what it is exactly..but i like it! Take off the filler behind the trigger guard and it would be a poster child. Reminds me of the old skull crushers..
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That's a head cracker!
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I'd bid on that bad boy..I actually don't own a 29(!!)...that would be a dandy start! It looks like the butt cap is part of the back strap...?! it even has a melted look to it. Damn.. not big on ported bbls but I can live with it. Let me know where you list tit for sale.. 
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I have to find out more about it first but it does appear that the pommel is part of the backstrap.
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I would say that the serial number that starts PCJ and the 00XX lends credence to it being built in the PC. But I would bet this is a one-off built for someone at S&W or built by a PC gunsmith for their own use. Doubt if anything like this was ever offered for sale. I can speculate about a big-bore L-comp type N-frame being prototyped and then rejected, with an employee taking it further (butt treatment) for themselves. All kinds of things come to mind - but you should definitely letter it.
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I would say that the serial number that starts PCJ and the 00XX lends credence to it being built in the PC. But I would bet this is a one-off built for someone at S&W or built by a PC gunsmith for their own use. Doubt if anything like this was ever offered for sale. I can speculate about a big-bore L-comp type N-frame being prototyped and then rejected, with an employee taking it further (butt treatment) for themselves. All kinds of things come to mind - but you should definitely letter it.
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What is the PC in PCJ stand for?
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It's a 629 Carry Comp product number 170012 1 of 428 that IMO someone has completely hosed the value of by "customizing" the grip frame. If it were original in labeled box, it would be a $4-5K gun. As is, unless it could somehow be documented as a factory job, you'll have to find someone who likes the way it sits for a shooter or "unique" collectible.
Edit: They originally came with finger groove wood combat grips as you can see in my avatar pic...
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How ould they have added that without there being a weld line?
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How ould they have added that without there being a weld line?
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weld, grind the line away, polish
It looks like the frame sits flat on the added piece, and the perimeter of the seam was welded. The bottom of the grips are rounded to fit flush. I'd like to see a closeup of the frame under the grips.
If that's how it was done, it could be removed fairly easily.
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weld, grind the line away, polish
It looks like the frame sits flat on the added piece, and the perimeter of the seam was welded. The bottom of the grips are rounded to fit flush. I'd like to see a closeup of the frame under the grips.
If that's how it was done, it could be removed fairly easily.
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Remove? I like the butt cap.And the grips. I must have really weird tastes. I tend to modify every thing I own..
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Someone had too much free time and access to shop tools!
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I kinda like it as well. Got a bit of a "Bladerunner" look to it. Interesting.
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I kinda like it as well. Got a bit of a "Bladerunner" look to it. Interesting.
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I agree. As a custom piece, I think it is pretty cool. I agree I'd probably pull the filler piece off though.
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The serial number is on the inside of the top strap.
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It fit between PCH and PCK. (S&W generally doesn't us the letter "I" for s/n's, for obvious reasons). There was a whole slew of PCxxxxx s/n prefixes used in the early days of the PC in the early '90's.
I agree with b_san that it's likely started life as a 170012. It even has the unique "raised" latch that gun came with. It's rare to see a thumb piece like that.
The 170012 were like the fourth or fifth revolver the PC made. Not the twelfth, since many of the early PC guns were semiautomatics and they all shared the same "1700" product code prefix.
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It fit between PCH and PCK. (S&W generally doesn't us the letter "I" for s/n's, for obvious reasons). There was a whole slew of PCxxxxx s/n prefixes used in the early days of the PC in the early '90's.
I agree with b_san that it's likely started life as a 170012. It even has the unique "raised" latch that gun came with. It's rare to see a thumb piece like that.
The 170012 were like the fourth or fifth revolver the PC made. Not the twelfth, since many of the early PC guns were semiautomatics and they all shared the same "1700" product code prefix.
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Here is a photo of mine (with a different set of grips that fit my hand better). Mine is from the second run of the 629-3 guns made by the Performance Center for Lew Horton from left over frames found in the factory after the first run. These guns were built out with special serial numbers at a time when the factory was building 629-4 guns. The second run serial numbers began with HMC 0001. Mine is "0062."
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What was the Spec. Ord. number?
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Wish I knew. Didn't get the box with it. Found the information in this thread, particularly in post 4.
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Grip & frame reminds me of a Merwin & Hubert.............
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Where are you seeing the serial number? Typically, it's on the bottom of the grip frame. I don't see it stamped in the yoke cut.
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Where are you seeing the serial number? Typically, it's on the bottom of the grip frame. I don't see it stamped in the yoke cut.
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The serial number on mine, second run, is laser engraved on the inside of the top strap. It is visible with the cylinder open and the gun held upside down.
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Why don't you take the stocks off and take a look at the frame. To see if there are any signs of cutting and welding. You might want to give Elvis a call to see if anyone has stolen any of his guns. I'm sure he would want to get that one back.
I actually like it.
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Why don't you take the stocks off and take a look at the frame. To see if there are any signs of cutting and welding. You might want to give Elvis a call to see if anyone has stolen any of his guns. I'm sure he would want to get that one back.
I actually like it.
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I did, if its welded the guy deserves every penny he was paid. I can't find a line or marks.
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Unfortunately the laser etched SN under the top strap is not the official ATF SN marking, the engraved serial number at the bottom of the grip frame is the official ATF SN. As that SN is missing from (or covered by) the modified grip frame I think it's extremely unlikely that the modification was done by the S&W PC smiths.
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Unfortunately the laser etched SN under the top strap is not the official ATF SN marking, the engraved serial number at the bottom of the grip frame is the official ATF SN. As that SN is missing from (or covered by) the modified grip frame I think it's extremely unlikely that the modification was done by the S&W PC smiths.
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Yeah, I was wondering the exact same thing myself. And if the mods to it have covered the "official" serial number, I also wonder about the legality of even owning it. That would give me pause.
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I believe that serial numbers can be relocated on the frame/receiver if custom work covers/defaces the original location. What is up in the air is whether this requires written authorization to do so. Custom gunsmiths do it out of necessity on some of their creations, but nobody is stepping up to say whether they had to seek authorization to do so.
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As long as the SN meets depth requirements it is legal to move them. I have had to do it on older firearms where people didn't want to ruin the ascetics
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It hasn't been moved, that secondary etching in that location is standard for a PC gun however it does not count as the ATF legal serial number marking. The laser marking is easily polished or worn off, take a look at some other well worn older PC guns.
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It hasn't been moved, that secondary etching in that location is standard for a PC gun however it does not count as the ATF legal serial number marking. The laser marking is easily polished or worn off, take a look at some other well worn older PC guns.
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I wasn't commenting on this gun specifically, I was responding to the question about the legality of moving a SN.
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