I would love to know what the trigger pull weight is on these guns. The videos I've seen don't mention it.

I am afraid to post anything here, but the Lipsey’s Aim Higher podcast from SHOT will answer a lot of questions.

The best lock for a double action revolver is a large padlock with a rubber or vinyl covered shackle, locked behind the trigger. Not only will it keep the revolver from being fired, you can lock the firearm to an immovable object.

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Thanks Darryl- So long as the Chiefs-Ravens game stays close, I’ll watch later, LoL
Looking forward to seeing it!

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I have bought 3 of the newer alloy J frames and they all have decent triggers. No noticeable difference from my older ones. But as long as they are smooth with no hitched I don't worry that much about it as long as I can keep the sights in line as I pull the trigger. They are not target guns in the first place. Minute of paper plate at 15 yards works for me

The triggers are very good in every one we have seen and we like to be able to have the capability to hold black on a B8 at 15 and in.

Interesting. It won't do anything the 38+P can't do and I could care less about the sights because when the poop hits the fan, you won't even use them anyway.

It will fire 6 times where a j framed 38+P only fires 5 times

I saw the Lipseys video and would like to know just how they changed the trigger geometry. The Titanium studs are better than steel because??? Certainly don't save much in the way of weight.

Nice guns, bit of hype

I don't think anyone can really dispute that the .32 H&R Magnum will have much less recoil and faster follow-up shots as compared to .38 Special +P. Plus you get an extra round with the .32 H&R Mag. (6 rounds vs 5 rounds)

As for the sights, I think you're right when it comes to the proverbial fan scenario.

I do find the cynical grumbling perplexing. An improved version of one the most timeless carry/back up guns is released and some seem annoyed by it. Not to mention one of our forum brothers was integral in getting this project to fruition. The firearms community really is its own worst enemy at times.

As far as the useless frame lock goes I’m glad to see it omitted. Another way to secure a revolver is a set of hand cuffs secured to frame so that the cylinder cannot close. Before the small handgun safes were ubiquitous this was my go to method. When traveling I’d request a room with an ADA bathroom with the big stainless steel hand rail. Locked to the rail with a pair of men’s under wear draped over it. Who wants to touch a guy’s underwear?

Agree with you about own worst enemy sometimes and also who wants to touch a guy’s underwear.
But aren’t handcuff keys even more ubiquitous than the S&W internal lock keys? Seems like using handcuffs to lock up your revolver would be a short term, emergency only solution. Creative idea though.

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The good news for those that don't want the .32 H&R mag. is it's also offered in .38 Spl. +P. I probably should have added that to the title, but it was in my original post.

I for one, will welcome both calibers into my safe. In fact, I just knocked out a 100 rounds of .32 S&W Long on the Rock Chucker.

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Can't dispute the lack of factory ammo options and availability. Then there's the OVER a $1 per round for each round compared to $0.33 per round for 38 Special. One cylinder of 32H&R will cost almost $7 compared to $1.65 or so with 38 Special. A hundred rounds of 32H&R will cost over $100, whereas a box of 100 of 38 Special is $33. Seems like a revolver/caliber that would rarely be shot at the range.


Next, the fact that there are 38 Special 90 and 110 grain NON +P rounds that have similar velocities and muzzle energy compared to .32 H&R. There are 38 Special rounds that are explicitly engineered to have less recoil and muzzle flash. There's a huge variety and spectrum of 38 Special offerings, so I don't understand the argument with regards to recoil. Plus, it's not doing anything impressive or necessarily special in the ballistic performances department.

Lastly, the .32H&R and 38 Special revolver offerings are the same size and weight. It's not like the smaller caliber offers any advantages in that regard either.

Seems like there are a few cons and only one pro which is the one extra round that comes with the .32H&R offerings, but you're giving up a lot to have that extra round. IMHO, S&W blundered in not chambering it in 327 Mag instead with the option of firing .32H&R. I just don't see it selling well after the initial small motivated minority purchases one. I'm glad they made it for those who want one, but I'd caution you all to get them while you can because they maybe hard to find and/or will be discontinued in the future. There's a very small niche market for .32H&R, and I highly doubt S&W will set aside machines and manufacturing slots to bring many to the market over the more popular and better selling 38 Special Centennials.

I think the points you made are spot on, valid, and well said. Much appreciated.

I still plan to buy the Lipsey's J Frame edition chambered in the .32 H&R Mag, if I can't find a reasonably priced 431pd or 432pd in excellent to mint condition.

The correct answer is to buy all three, e.i., 431pd, 432pd, and 432UC, if you can get them at a reasonable price

Hey Guys-Iff'n y'all don't like .32H&R don' buy one. Lipsey thinks they will sell because they are the ones buying them from S&W, then selling them to the public. I am sure for all the changes/improvements for the UC's have Lipsey had to commit to a pretty large order.

I was just shooting my Lipsey GP100 in .327 today, greatr gun. Much, much better trigger out of the box compared to a standard GP100. Lipsey seems to get the manufacturers to up their game.

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Took me 2 minutes to find 32 SWL For $0.36 a round. .....

I think if you're limited to factory ammo the .32 doesn't make sense, but if you're loading it makes a lot of sense.

What a post. Your cost comparisons are not apples to apples. 38 special LRN on ammoseek is about 35-40 cents per round. Legitimate self defense ammo is $1 per round if you can find it (Federal HST is the only 38 spl SD load I would ever use).32 long LRN is also 35-40 cents per round. 32 H&R mag SD ammo is also $1 per round. Very similar costs for the 32 and 38 range/SD offerings.

You clearly don’t own or shoot 32 of any variety. A 32 long wadcutter is a cream puff compared to a 38 spl wadcutter.

I have a 32 H&R Bisley Ruger, a 432PD, an H&R 32, and multiple 32 hand ejectors including a couple Reg Police guns. New shooters, females, my wife, and my buddies all enjoy shooting these guns immensely. Perhaps Smith and Wesson is heading down the road to rehydrate the 32 caliber in modern times.

10mm was written off too for quite some time because “what does is do better than insert another caliber here”. Now look at the market demand, Glock just released a Glock 29 gen 5 due to demand!

SVT28

Of course, you would only want to conveniently compare self-defense ammo cost even though 99.99% of people aren’t going to the range and shooting 50-100 or more rounds of self-defense ammo. That's a little disingenuous on your part. No, my cost comparison is on point. The point is that any and all commercial 32H&R ammo that I've been able to find is OVER a $1 per round. That means that any and all range trips practicing with that caliber will be over $1 per round. 38 Special ammo for the range, training, and plinking can be had at .32 cents per round.

Next, 32 Long isn't shooting, training, or practicing with the same caliber and similar round that you plan on carrying. You might as well be shooting a 22lr that is 3x less in cost than 32 Long for training, practice, and plinking. Plus, 32 long and 32H&R are both rounds that are harder to find and have limited options compared to other calibers.

Not saying you're wrong, but care to cite a video or objective testing data so we can compare? Even still, I don't believe that the overwhelming majority of those who carry for self-defense purposes are EDCing wadcutters in their revolvers.

That's great, and there's nothing wrong with that. The fact still remains that the cons are brought up are valid. It's a very expensive round, not many places carry .32 ammo, there are tons of quality options in .32 compared to other calibers, and it's not a popular round. There are quantity self-defense 38 Special rounds that have similar muzzle energy. All that doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with others buy and enjoying shooting .32.

The argument still stands and is valid. Most factory 10mm doesn't do anything better than 40s&w and some other caliber offerings. No one doubted that full powered hunting designed ammo was more powerful than most popular semiauto self-defense calibers. The issue is that most people who purchase 10mm aren't carry full powered hunting loads but rather 10mm on the outside and 40s&w on the inside. As far as 10mm becoming popular, it's because gun owners as a whole have this obsession with stopping power, higher muzzle energy, the mythical "one shot stop," defense against bears and larger predators, and more powerful calibers as a whole. There's not a market for a more expensive weaker caliber for self-defense in 32H&R. That's not an apples to apples comparison. Most will be happy with 22lr or 38spc.



That's just my opinion, and it's not an attack on anyone who still wants to buy and enjoy the caliber. The facts are that there are pros and cons. Many in this thread have spoken about the cons over 38 Special, but then they become defensive when someone brings up any of the cons of .32....

Yup, I agree. If you already own .32, if you reload, or if you just want one and don't care about the cost, it makes more sense. If you're thinking about getting into .32 for the first times, there are pros and cons that should be taken into consideration.

The grumbling is both perplexing and common. There is a pretty big group on gun forums that denounces every new gun as "DOA", "an answer to a question no one asked" or "a solution to a non-existent problem". And take great joy in watching anything new fail.

Gun technology is very mature at this point. Most improvements are going to be small evolutionary steps, not huge leaps forward. I will not be buying one of these but in either 32 or 38 they seem like a nice improvement over the standard J frame. Nothing revolutionary but still an upgrade.

I'm pretty sure anyone considering one of the new .32 J frames knows what they are getting into.

I've only been shooting .32 HR for about 2 years now, but it has really grown on me. With 98 gr WC or SWC my Single Six is cheap to feed (I reload) and very accurate. My 1894 Marlin will shoot 90 gr JHC going 1600fps into .75" at 50 yards.

Most on this thread are comparing 32 H&R Mag v. 38 Spl, with the main difference being lighter but faster ammo. And 5 v. 6 rounds.
I am looking at the difference between 22 LR and 32 Long. 8 rounds v 6.
I bought a M43C, thinking that would be a good carry revolver for me. I am 81 YO with wrist and finger damage. Also, shoulder. There were several things I didn't like about the 43C, such as the available ammo seemed wrong for SD. Mostly made for plinking and rodents. Also, the hammer spring needs to be very stiff to light off rim fire ammo. Hard with my hands. The ammo still is less reliable than center fire. And, with the aluminum cylinder, I would get difficult extraction after abbot 50 rounds. Then, I needed to run a patch through the chambers. Not really a problem for carry in a clean gun.
Since 32 cal is the smallest caliber center fire for a revolver, I have been thinking about using it in a small, lightweight revolver. I looked at Ruger LCR, but no small revolver fits my hand and "style" as much as a J frame.
I reload, but have to use plated or jacketed ammo at the indoor range that I have available. With Rainier out of the bullet business, the only plated bullets I can find are the 71gr ones by Berry. Otherwise, it's 85 or 100gr XTP's. I would probably sell the grips on the new model, as I don't want the back strap covered. I like the trigger reach with true boot grips. I have modified Ahrends boot grips that I thinned down and reworked the finger groves to fit. I would use those. They have several coats of Tung oil that I like. Grips are almost black now. We shall see. The reworked trigger action sounds good to me. Maybe someone at S&W has been shooting a Kimber K6S double action. I wouldn't mind if S&W was influenced by the nice trigger pull on the Kimber.

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Rick

Good point.

I am excited for the new Lipsey's J frame chambered in .32 H&R to become available soon. However, I think the upgrades are nice, but they are not my reason for my wanting a J Frame chambered in.32 H&R. I would much rather prefer a factory standard 431PD, or 432PD over the Lipsey's upgrade any day of the week.

Hey-don't forget the 331 and 332 as well.

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How well you will use the sights under stress is a training matter. Read the reports from serious people who were knee deep in excrement (like Cirillo) and you will see that they use the sights because they trained accordingly and it mattered. Cirillo performed well under serious stress when he was on the stakeout squad because he had trained to use the sights and DID so.

Much of the ballistic difference between rounds is overcome by placement; the knowledge of target locations on the human body is vital and has improved a lot in the last 40 years. I suspect I would rely on Nyeti's research and opinions; he has BTDT.

This revolver does not appeal to me at this time for factors peculiar to me, one of which is I really don't like J frames. That is not a valid basis for negative opinions, and some of the feedback I see reminds me of a religious fanatic finding out that their favorite part of the Bible was not properly translated from Hebrew or Aramaic 2000 years ago. Folklore is not doctrine. Quitcher bellyaching. A very knowledgable man has worked hard to get a good product produced, and I really don't think any of the critics know enough to critique the outcome, just as a lot of people don't know the difference between a dobro and a Jake brake.

As one poster above notes, getting older and arthritic makes one revisit what works for HIM/HER as a defense gun. I'm not there yet, but I suspect my time will come if I live that long.

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Paper plates at 15 yards is a good "standard" for the alloy J frames. If you can do that on demand and with some speed, you can do what reasonably needs to be done with these guns.

I doubt the action geometry on these new Lipsey guns has changed. Sounds like theyve gone to different pins for durability. There might be some different springs and a little more attention paid to action smoothness.

I just have a hard time seeing Smith change the action after so many years. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd bet against the action being changed.

I’d be interested in the grips if you decide to sell them.

My LGS went so far as to phone his Lipsey's rep today. He was told there is no availability until late Feb. I had him put my name on his wish-list, LOL.

I stopped by a local shop today. They expect to see them in March and put my name on the list they have started for them. They quoted me $649 plus tax.

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Mine quoted me $720 last week & $759 today (+tax). Also want $150 deposit. Still trying to make up my mind on which one I’m getting. Anyone else getting quotes at $650?

So none of my dealers can get them, they say that lipseys has already alloted the first release to preferred dealers. Its making me really nervous that these will be short run guns that get snapped up by collectors and become too inflated in price to carry.

Please share where you're seeing this for $18/box??

Because it’s not a 38
Because I make my own 32
Because it has 6 shots
Because it’s different
Because I want one

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Was I dreaming or did I read something about a potential K frame version in the future? That one would really trip my trigger…

The Lipsey's wholesale is $599. I can't begrudge a dealer asking less than 10% margin for what's going to be a hot-ticket.

Truly sad.

Nyeti said about that they are working on getting it listed in CA. He is more patient than I would be with that process.

BTW: quibbling about ballistic performance between most handgun calibers is talking about very modest difference in terms of personal defense. Look at what real experts have said (see the Patrick and Hall book I have cited several times; the works of Dr. Fackler and his successor Dr. Roberts). A handgun is what you carry because you have no specific reason to expect a problem; a long gun is what you should be using if you have reason to expect a problem and can't arrange to be elsewhere. Placement generally is more important than the actual ballistic "power".

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Go to ammo seek and do a search. Gman sports had it at $17.97 for a box of 50 but is currently out of stock. Other sellers are at $20-$22 for 50.

But with the news of this release, I'm pretty sure people are buying this ammo up.

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Hey, it was great chatting with you at SHOT.

Thanks for the 411

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With recent CA court cases going our way, manufactures are again able to submit applications to get new guns on the CA roster. I am sure S&W wants to capture a chunk of the CA market. Revolvers are easy, autos must have "cartridge loaded indicator", magazine disconnect, manual safety, etc.

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Not dreaming.

On a different forum where it's being discussed, individuals directly and indirectly involved with this project have confirmed these Js are the front end of a proposed -- not yet approved, pending how these Js go in the marketplace -- family of similarly-styled revolvers, including in a K-frame.

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I'm an old timer so it might not surprise many of you that I prefer all steel,double action and hammers with spurs but thankfully we have choices

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Yeah, I was wondering that too. They already have the 357 J-frames with the enlongated cylinder, so that seems a more logical choice. I mean, you can still shoot 32 H&R in a 327 magnum, so why not make it magnum capable?

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I think that was explained by Nyeti on the first page.

Ammo: make your comparisons reasonably valid. LRN is generally not a good performer, and as far as I am concerned the only reason to buy very much is to reload with effective projectiles. I saw one poster comment on their belief that a few carry wadcutters for defense, but they are in fact a decent load for that purpose because of their shape and controllability. The same with standard velocity SWC. If the load you use is not one you can shoot well under stress, it is less than useful; misses stop no one unless they are scared away, and misses present real risk to others.

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See posts #8,12, and 16.

The Scandium frame would put the cost into the 4 figure range.
327 Federal pressure is 45 kpsi.

73,
Rick

It's almost a great idea, but if they aren't going to go .327 magnum (not saying they should), then building the gun as an I-frame could have made it a smaller, lighter, and ultimately stronger package.
Even if they had taken the lazy way out and just shortened the cylinder and lengthened the barrel stub it would have been some help.

My local shop quoted me a price of $669 and hopes to have some in by the end of February. Needless to say I'm on the list.