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Old 01-02-2025, 11:15 PM
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I saw a 4" Model 65 at an LGS last Saturday, and I am thinking of going back to pick it up. It had magna stocks, and a Tyler grip adapter in SS (color wise, it was an ok match at best to the SS reveolver)

It was in a 'good' condition - a couple of scuffs here and there, but nothing major - it has been carried for sure. No police markings on it (wish it had - I personally like those).

Was selling $399. I am assuming this is as good of a deal I will get on something like that, right? First time I see one, I initially thought it was a 64-5, not a 65-4 but I did confirm this was a 357 magnum barrel...:-)

Sorry, did not take any pictures (I purchased another pistol, look at a couple of more revolvers, it was a lot going on).

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That's a pretty good deal these days. I would buy it myself, iffn' I was you.
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I agree. I find it hard to resist any decent J- or K-frame selling for under $400 these days.
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Old 01-03-2025, 12:16 AM
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FWIW, 8 months back I paid $275 for a Model 64-7 on Gun Broker. Shipping and tax made it about $380. It was carried (probably a security/armored car company trade-in), but in very good shape.

Model 65s and no-lock guns generally go for a premium over my Model 64, so $400 sounds pretty good to me.
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I bought my 3" 65-5 around 4 or 5 years ago for $450 + taxes & fees, so $399 sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
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Did you examine the 65 beyond "looked good"? Timing, headspace, barrel/cylinder gap, bulged barrel... I've seen stainless 66s (K-frames like the 65) at shows that looked good, but rattled like maracas, they had been shot so extensively. There's a reason somewhere for this gun being relatively inexpensive.

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That's a great gun to own. If it fit in my collection and is in good working order, I'd snap it up at that price.
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Very good deal - just check forcing cone for any cracks.
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The Tyler is close a $100 all by itself.
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If it is mechanically sound, then $400 is a good deal these days!
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Did you examine the 65 beyond "looked good"? Timing, headspace, barrel/cylinder gap, bulged barrel... I've seen stainless 66s (K-frames like the 65) at shows that looked good, but rattled like maracas, they had been shot so extensively. There's a reason somewhere for this gun being relatively inexpensive.

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I did examine some - the lock / timing, bore was was good, but will look more closely at the barrel / forcing cone.

Interestingly you mentioned bulged barrel and forcing cone - I almost bought a Gen1 Python two weeks ago that turn out to have both a bulged barrel and a cracked forcing cone...needless to say, I passed.

Have not had any S&Ws with those issues, but I know the K-frame 357s are thinner (weak spot / more fragile?) in the bottom of the forcing cone - will look more closely for sure. Thanks for the suggestions!

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The Tyler is close a $100 all by itself.
yes, this is what I was surprised to see - I thought those were $30-40 but on Ebay they are pushing $100...
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Yep, that the plan for this Saturday - will drive there after I call and confirm they still have it!
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The price may reflect a bulk purchase, and very few LE or security entities shoot much, or near much as they should.
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The price may reflect a bulk purchase, and very few LE or security entities shoot much, or near much as they should.
That was the case with my $275+shipping Model 64. The seller had well over a dozen to choose from. That, plus numbers paint markered on my bottoms of the grip make me think that a security company either finally upgraded to semi-autos, or decided to dump the revolvers that they had sitting around.
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My Model 65-1 .357 mag with 4" barrel bought for $200 bucks in 1977 was my backpacking gun for years. It was my second gun after my Model 19. 357 mag.

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Stuff like that are why I never leave home without it. My credit card.
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FWIW, I think that calling the K-frame magnum forcing cones "fragile" is a bit of an overstatement.

While there have been a few reliably-documented cases of K-frame revolvers with cracked forcing cones, that "issue" seems to be limited to examples that have been heavily used to fire a LOT of light bullet (<125gr) full-power magnum rounds.

K-frame 357 magnums that haven't been used/abused in this manner don't seem to commonly suffer from this kind of damage. FWIW, many of us own several examples of well-used 357 magnum K-frames that don't show any signs of forcing cone damage.

So, IMO, this is basically an issue that has to be evaluated on a gun-by-gun basis - as opposed to being considered an inherent "flaw" in the design of the K-frame S&W 357 magnums in general.

JMO, and YMMV. As always, do a very thorough inspection of every revolver you consider purchasing.
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My Model 65-1 .357 mag with 4" barrel bought for $200 bucks in 1977 was my backpacking gun for years. It was my second gun after my Model 19. 357 mag.

That's a nice one.
Just FWIW, the $200 you paid in 1977, would be equal to $1,041 in 2024 dollars - according to online inflation calculators.
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The price sounds about right for one with aftermarket grips. With factory grips and a T-grip, it’s a pretty good price, and I’d grab it.

I love the 65 in either barrel length, and my 4” 65 is one of my better shooting handguns.

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FWIW, I think that calling the K-frame magnum forcing cones "fragile" is a bit of an overstatement.

While there have been a few reliably-documented cases of K-frame revolvers with cracked forcing cones, that "issue" seems to be limited to examples that have been heavily used to fire a LOT of light bullet (<125gr) full-power magnum rounds.

K-frame 357 magnums that haven't been used/abused in this manner don't seem to commonly suffer from this kind of damage. FWIW, many of us own several examples of well-used 357 magnum K-frames that don't show any signs of forcing cone damage.

So, IMO, this is basically an issue that has to be evaluated on a gun-by-gun basis - as opposed to being considered an inherent "flaw" in the design of the K-frame S&W 357 magnums in general.

JMO, and YMMV. As always, do a very thorough inspection of every revolver you consider purchasing.
As I said, I have never seen a cracked forcing cone on a S&W revolver but have seen one on a Colt Python, along with 2 bulged barrels on a python and a diamondback.

So, I do agree that those 'reports of cracked K-frame cones' are most likely of abused guns. If you look into the SWSC, Jim Supica writes on this topic, I just paraphrased what I have read there w/o any immediate observations on my own.
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Ok, folks - I will admit it was my lucky day today. Not only did the 65-4 not get away from me, but on the way there I ended up stopping at a small local gun show, and ended up bumping up on another true gem - a 13-2 3" NIB...:-)

I played it all cool while looking at the M13 and its box, tools, papers, etc...(while my heart was pounding inside) AND I also managed to knock $100 off it. Needless to say, it did cost quite a bit more than the 65 but I think it is well worth it.

The 65 turned out to be in better shape than what I had initially thought - very solid, tight lock, no rattling, the grip adapter (not Tyler - no name on it, not sure what it is) is snug, nothing loose on the revolver. There are a couple of small scratches on the barrell, but no dings or major eye sores. I am very happy with it! Will take it to the range with me next time I go there.

Here are some pics. Thanks everyone who weighted in and encouraged me to not waste any time and get there - it was a great trip!
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Ok, I know you will ask for pics of the M13, here it is...
SN 8D... puts in 1981.

An older brother and his younger and shinier sibling...:-)
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Nice haul... if that 13 is NIB, I'd leave it like that, but the 65...I'd shoot that thing 'til the cows come home.
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Nice haul... if that 13 is NIB, I'd leave it like that, but the 65...I'd shoot that thing 'til the cows come home.
Yep, that was my plan as well! Would love to see how it handles with the grip adaptor - I will compare it against a 4 inch M19 I have with the target stocks and see which one feels better in my hands.

I used to have a non pinned 64 HB that I sold, I may pick another 64 (pinned this time) 4 inch to match it, would be cool to have them side-by-side. I already have a 4 inch pinned M10 HB, so this will extend the family further...:-)
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Yes, blued is the best finish IMHO. I used to like Nickel at some point, but unless the Nickel is pristine, and applied to a high grade gun like the M29, M27, M19 it often does not look as good due to discolorations or scratches (that the blued guns seem to hide better).

S&W Bright Blue from the 70s (M29,M27,M29, M52, some M41s) and Colt's Royal Blue (Python and Gold Cup National Match Mid-Range guns) from the 60-70s top the 'best blued' IMHO!
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You're darned right about the pics, we love us some gun p0rn! Well done on your acquisitions!
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Ok, folks - I will admit it was my lucky day today. Not only did the 65-4 not get away from me, but on the way there I ended up stopping at a small local gun show, and ended up bumping up on another true gem - a 13-2 3" NIB...:-)

I played it all cool while looking at the M13 and its box, tools, papers, etc...(while my heart was pounding inside) AND I also managed to knock $100 off it. Needless to say, it did cost quite a bit more than the 65 but I think it is well worth it.

The 65 turned out to be in better shape than what I had initially thought - very solid, tight lock, no rattling, the grip adapter (not Tyler - no name on it, not sure what it is) is snug, nothing loose on the revolver. There are a couple of small scratches on the barrell, but no dings or major eye sores. I am very happy with it! Will take it to the range with me next time I go there.

Here are some pics. Thanks everyone who weighted in and encouraged me to not waste any time and get there - it was a great trip!
Not to be a wet blanket, but you realize the M65 has had the finish touched up, right? It was most likely done using a scotch-brite pad.

You can only tell under bright light - like in your close-up photos - but the slight unevenness of the barely perceptible lines of the "brushed" finish tell the tale. Especially the fact that the lines on the cylinder go around the circumference rather than along the sides parallel to the bores. AFAIK, S&W never polished them that way.

Still, a nice gun at a good price. Just the thing if you're looking for one you can shoot to your heart's content.
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A couple of great guns. Congrats !! Yes the finish on the 65 is not original. That sure looks like a Tyler T. Take a pic for us of the inside of the T grip. There should be a number inside or a number /letter.
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Not to be a wet blanket, but you realize the M65 has had the finish touched up, right? It was most likely done using a scotch-brite pad.

You can only tell under bright light - like in your close-up photos - but the slight unevenness of the barely perceptible lines of the "brushed" finish tell the tale. Especially the fact that the lines on the cylinder go around the circumference rather than along the sides parallel to the bores. AFAIK, S&W never polished them that way.

Still, a nice gun at a good price. Just the thing if you're looking for one you can shoot to your heart's content.
yep, it looked like someone had done some polishing, which I do not mind, to be frank - it is a SS gun. I've read I can get it back closer to original look but I actually like the SS a little shinier than the original (matte/satin) S&W finish.

I will take a pic next to an original S&W finish and will probably make the point even better for folks who may be wondering about the differences.

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A couple of great guns. Congrats !! Yes the finish on the 65 is not original. That sure looks like a Tyler T. Take a pic for us of the inside of the T grip. There should be a number inside or a number /letter.
Do I take of the stocks, and then should be able to access a screw in the back of the Tyler T that holds it in place?

First time I have a gun with a grip adapter...
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I bought my 3" 65-5 around 4 or 5 years ago for $450 + taxes & fees, so $399 sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
I plan on adding a 3" M65 variant as well when I bump into one, hopefully in the next couple of years (who knows)

I have a 66-3, 657 and 629-1 in 3" and man, those 3" Smiths with their RB and CS are just so pretty...Posting a pic here (along with a 2.5 686). I even have a name for those 4 specific revolvers I have - The Four Horsemen...:-)

Post a pic of your 65-5 if you do not mind.
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yep, it looked like someone had done some polishing, which I do not mind, to be frank - it is a SS gun. I've read I can get it back closer to original look but I actually like the SS a little shinier than the original (matte/satin) S&W finish.

I will take a pic next to an original S&W finish and will probably make the point even better for folks who may be wondering about the differences.
While the finish isn't original, and never will be, you can probably get it even closer to the original factory finish by carefully applying some elbow grease using a gray scotch-brite pad.

That is assuming that you have any interest in that kind of finish restoration.

Either way, I still think you got a great shooting revolver for a very reasonable price. Enjoy!
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Do I take of the stocks, and then should be able to access a screw in the back of the Tyler T that holds it in place?

First time I have a gun with a grip adapter...
I don't have a lot of experience with the grip adapters, but from what I have seen of them. they usually have either one or two sets of "tabs" attached to the grip adapter, that fit between the grip frame and the grips.

These tabs are made from thin sheet-metal, and adapters with two sets of tabs are better than those with only one set of tabs IMO.

The two-tab versions stay aligned with the grip frame better than the earlier versions with only one tab, IMO.

Just a FWIW. Others may have different opinions.
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I plan on adding a 3" M65 variant as well when I bump into one, hopefully in the next couple of years (who knows)

I have a 66-3, 657 and 629-1 in 3" and man, those 3" Smiths with their RB and CS are just so pretty...Posting a pic here (along with a 2.5 686). I even have a name for those 4 specific revolvers I have - The Four Horsemen...:-)

Post a pic of your 65-5 if you do not mind.
Sure, here it is as it looked when I found it - wearing the factory 3-finger Uncle Mikes rubber combat grips.
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I agree. I find it hard to resist any decent J- or K-frame selling for under $400 these days.
Come visit NATO-Finland. Here you can find S&W revolvers at great prices.
Here a gun license is expensive, a lot of guns are owned by old people.
It is difficult to get your first revolver or pistol license. First you have to practice at least 10 times with someone else's gun over the course of two years.
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Sure, here it is as it looked when I found it - wearing the factory 3-finger Uncle Mikes rubber combat grips.
Pretty gun for sure! As to grips, my approach is:

CC gun: Rubber, finger grooves, as sticky rubber as I can get
All others: Wood / Stag
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Pretty gun for sure! As to grips, my approach is:

CC gun: Rubber, finger grooves, as sticky rubber as I can get
All others: Wood / Stag
I'm with you on that.
Though I did swap the 3-finger grips, for the more concealable, UM boot grips.
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Come visit NATO-Finland. Here you can find S&W revolvers at great prices.
Here a gun license is expensive, a lot of guns are owned by old people.
It is difficult to get your first revolver or pistol license. First you have to practice at least 10 times with someone else's gun over the course of two years.
I see some importers import from Germany lots of great Colts and Smiths - see the import German marks. I have a couple of Colts and Smiths with German proof marks from the 70s.

Out of curiousity - how much would an excellent grade Model 29-2 or Model 27-2 cost in Finland? Just comparing notes on relative pricing there vs. here in US...

You mentioned it was hard to get your first reveolver / pistol licence - do you need to have a license for each gun you own there? If so, do you also have a limit? I know some countries do - I have a couple of cousins in Eastern Europe and they can own only 1 handgun each at a time, and have to apply if they were to change it. I think they can own 1 or 2 hunting weapons as well - one shot gun, one rifle, and the handgun permit is by far the hardest to get....
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A couple of great guns. Congrats !! Yes the finish on the 65 is not original. That sure looks like a Tyler T. Take a pic for us of the inside of the T grip. There should be a number inside or a number /letter.
Yep, I finally took the grips off and it had the T 3 on the inside of the grip adapter, so they are Tyler's indeed! Thanks for the tip!
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