Just introduced on the Lipsey**™s website- Ti cylinder and AFR/Hamre Forge grips in the UC package**¦ win-win-win!
Thanks to Jason at Lipsey**™s and our own nyeti


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Lipseys should buy S&W

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Lipsey's, and the revolver enthusiasts and experts they've enlisted as consultants (thanks, nyeti!), clearly know what the market has been clamoring for over the course of the last two and a half decades! No locks, Mountain Guns, and 32H&R J-frames? They're on fire! I sincerely hope they're able to sway more of S&W's revolver thinking from here on out. (Let's see a return to the pre-lock frame shape and I'll be over the moon...more than I already am as a result of these recent announcements!)

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We built the first one out of parts and I have been daily carrying it for about six months. It is truly the Ultimate Carry revolver. Thanks to Jason Cloessner for making it happen.

Looks like the Shot Show started early.

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Woah….

I’ve been on the hunt for a 332 Ti for a LONG time. I’m glad I haven’t found one as that 632 Ti is calling my name

What I am seeing is a newfound resurgence and love for some pretty darn cool revolvers. Lipsey’s and S&W are putting out great ideas like the UC.

Just like many, I’ve dealt with poor QC and am wary due to said issues but if those are worked out and I can get my hands on one before purchasing, I’ll be scooping up a new Ti in no time.

Keep it up whoever is responsible for this!

Wow! That’s a lot of Binks for a.32 cal revolver. I would like to see a 3-4” with adjustable sights. Better yet, maybe a K frame with 327 thrown in the mix.

I have to say, I came here a little while ago to learn about J-frames and stayed to learn about some other things too. I'm new to revolvers, so I do that ole "2 ears and 1 mouth thing" and let the greyer members who shot these things since before I was born share what they've seen. I don't post much here


I remember not long after I started browsing, there was a thread where some of the guys mentioned that, we live in an age where a lot of the younger folks ONLY seem to be interested in the plastic, soul-less, striker fired guns with an MRD (and they really seem to struggle to hit anything without them sometimes )
And for better or worse, we were going to be stuck with tons of options along that ^ highway.

Luckily, as time went on, we get the UC series, and now they're expanding the options.

Right now I'm going back and forth on: Do I get a 442UC? Or some variant of 432UC. I'm just concerned about the 432/632UC Quality control.
And, perhaps the maintenance of the titanium cylinder makes me wonder.

I am just glad it's not another over-stylized sub-compact 9mm polystriker. There are enough of those on the market already.

I know it is human nature to constantly be on the hunt for a better mouse trap, but a 6 shot 32 mag revolver is a bad one IMHO! It just is a mouse trap that makes little sense to me when their are way better calibers in higher capacity guns that are a smaller package.

The Ruger LCP MAX comes in at just over 10 ounces, is as flat as a board, holds 10+1 or 12 +1 rounds of .380acp and shoots what in my opinion is a better round - and I am no fan of the .380! It reloads a hell of a lot faster and can be easily slipped into any pocket. Reloading is also a lot faster than a revolver and ammo is readily available pretty much anywhere. A 9 mm Sig P365 weighs in at 17 1/2 ounces and is admittedly a little larger (but thinner) but packs a hell of a lot more wallop with it's 10 + 1 or 12 + 1 9mm rounds. Let us not forget what the purpose of a SD gun really is!

I believe that the revolver in question is just a bad idea that isn't needed and will be short lived. To anyone considering getting one for SD purposes..... I would encourage to rethink this particular choice. IMHO this gun is nothing but a marketing ploy and an attempt to charge high prices for specialty ammo.

In the process of saving up for a 432 UC and now the 432 UC Ti is being listed.
Oh decisions.

On the Lipsey's website, the TI model does not specify chamfered charge holes but does say UC enhancements. Is the Ti cylinder chamfered?
Other than weight, what does a Ti cylinder bring to the table? There was some mention of additional maintenance above, but I don't have the background knowledge to read between the lines.

FWIW, my septuagenarian father has become a big fan of red dots for indoor range shooting. He's put red dot equipped handguns in the hands of other older individuals to try out, and they're generally quite impressed with how their aging eyes pick them up compared to front sights.

He hasn't gotten a red dot equipped carry gun, but I think that's because he hasn't come across a semi-auto that he likes as much as his Kahr PM9.

As for UC QC, a lot of that is sadly just modern S&W. Both my father's early 632UC and my early 642UC shipped with out of spec yokes. That's not a UC-specific part, so I wouldn't be surprised if some of that bad batch made it's way in to basic 642s that we haven't heard about.

It's just a way to cut weight that can stand up to Magnum pressures. Not sure about chamfering or lack thereof on this new model.

Comparing the scandium .357 Magnum J-frames, the titanium cylinder 340PD is ~2 oz lighter than the steel cylinder M&P 340.

With the titanium cylinders, S&W just says not to fire Magnum loads under 120 gr and not to clean with abrasive scrubbing products to prevent cylinder erosion.

With that in mind, if you plan to shoot a lot of uncoated lead, especially .32 S&W Long, I would lean towards the steel cylinders that can withstand more abusive cleaning methods.

Interesting - would it be possible to ID an out of spec yoke before picking the gun up and bringing it home? (Ex: "look for ________ when handling it")

Good grief...

I think you need to change your avatar to a pocket polyspecial.

In the case of my father's 632UC, it was pretty stiff to close, and it got worse over time.

In the case of my 642UC, I didn't even notice it, but S&W replaced it when they replaced my bum night sight.

My newer 442UC (I didn't learn my lesson the first time, and it was the one I really wanted, but I found the 642UC for a good price when they were getting marked up), on the other hand, has been fine from the day I picked it up.

FWIW, S&W having issues making yokes that consistently fit the frames without fitting/adjustment is nothing new. My father has a Model 60 no-dash that you can clearly tell had the frame filed at the factory to fit the yoke. It also has a terrible DA trigger that could use a real gunsmith's attention. I figured that it just needed a good cleaning, but nope, it was beyond the abilities of this parts-swapper.

Yup, you need to update your avatar….LoLoL

Regarding the little .380 and 9mm pistols you are referring to, I agree in part. Carrying a GLOCK 42/43 and/or another small and comparable pistol does have its place. But small 5/6 shot lightweight revolvers certainly have their place also. There is an enormous market out there in the real world for small easy to carry revolvers (“that always go bang”…) in the role as a BUG/off duty. S&W, Taurus, Colt, Ruger, Kimber and others would certainly not be committed to, and producing them, like they do, if that wasn’t the case. Not to mention aftermarket support manufacturers (like holsters, grips, ammunition, etc. Their bean counters would never allow it.
I’m not dumping my small to midsized semiautomatic pistols, BUT I’m certainly not dumping my J Frames.

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I like .32s and I like this gun. I’ve never had a .32 Magnum but I’d give it a try. It’ll still shoot .32 S&W Long, .32 S&W, and .32 ACP. Lots of options in case of another Chicken Little ammo panic. Very lightweight, usable sights, six shots, decent grips, and not priced too badly given the prices of things today.

I’d say things are looking up at S&W.

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Interesting. Did they have to replace the frames totally, or just the yokes on those guns?

I always used to hear that "Revolvers hug the contours of the body" and didn't really get that, until I tried it. I've found that to be true

I have a Sig, it's great! It's 23.3oz loaded, and verymuch gun-shaped (in terms of printing). My 638 with a 405 grip is about 16.9oz loaded with wadcutters, hides more easily.
They do feel different on the belt. Both are carryable, but the J-frame is smaller than the photos comparing the two suggest, it is easier to carry.

I live and work in a "non-permissive environment". Carry is not illegal, but would upset the villagers if they were to discover, to their horror that you were not unarmed.
Carrying something larger means either a wardrobe change or printing risk for me.

It's nice to know that with a revolver, I have a VERY reliable defensive handgun, that carries easily, is forgiving on what belt I'm wearing, all that.

The Model 342 and my 442 with self-installed titanium cylinders have been great over the years. Looking forward to a 432UC with Ti cylinder.

So happy with all of these new options.

I like my old and new Smiths but feel strongly that good, solid, new Smith & Wesson revolvers / products are important (1) because I want them and (2) to drive interest in SWCA and revolvers. This is why I pushed the "New Products Display" at last year's symposium. We'll do it again in 2025. I expect the 2025 New Products Display to be AWESOME.

And, two more, although without the Ti cylinder:

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Federal's offering a defense .32 H&R Magnum load; they used the UC for development.

Their results:

32 H&R Magnum 85gr. Hydra-Shok Deep:

Rated Velocity from 4" Vented Test Barrel: 1025 FPS

Actual average velocity from S&W 1-7/8" UC used in the testing protocols: 1012 FPS

Average calibrated bare ordnance gelatin penetration was 14" with average expansion size of 0.481".

Average calibrated heavy clothing (denim, fleece, dress shirt, t-shirt) ordnance gelatin was 14.5" penetration with average expansion size of 0.479"

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Just the yokes.

Lipseys did a nice job on the GP100. 5" blue with wood grips, 327 Fed Mag. I traded it for a 629-6, used lightly. They gave me about what I paid for the gun (New) on the trade-in without giving it a second thought.

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I just don't understand why these aren't .327 mag???

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Because they wanted lightweight frames and also to keep prices down; that meant aluminum only, no scandium, and that meant not being strong enough for .327 magnum.

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Will there be purchase discounts for beta/quality control testers?

Nice idea, but I'm still waiting for the 327 Fed Mag version. Watch any of the 327/32H&R - 380ACP comparison videos and you'll see a much better performance out of that "little" 32 barrel. Nice to have a good reliable revolver in a very flexible wide range of ammo. I have the Taurus right now, but I'd trade up to a S&W in a heart beat when it comes out.

Exactly.

Judging by the steel cylinder M&P340 starting at $979, a scandium frame UC would've been over $1000 MSRP.

A steel frame UC would've been ~24 oz with those G-10 grips.

In a Primary & Secondary podcast with some of the people involved in development of the UC models, they also said that S&W is tooled up to make aluminum J-frames at a higher rate than other revolvers.

Whoops replied to wrong polar lol

Does this have the scandium frame?

I have to agree. I feel that my P365 is a better defensive weapon than any of my 38's or my 32 H&R j frame, but the J's are easier to pocket carry and doesn't scream "gun" like the P365 seems to do in most of my pants.

Did I see little plugs in those new frames where a lock would’ve gone, or are those something else?

No locks, no lock holes. What you see under the cylinder release is a Ti stud.

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The frames are aluminum alloy, even on the Ti cylinder versions.

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New video on these Ti models from TFBTV. Jason Cloessner from Lipsey's has been knocking things out of the park with the revolver projects he's been heading lately to say the least!

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As previously stated, I retrofitted my 642-UC with a factory Ti cylinder and it’s outstanding. But kinda snappy with personal defense ammunition (other than mid-range wadcutters.
The Ti cylinder on the .32 H&R Magnum UCs is go8ng to be an absolute winner!

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S&W should hook back up with LEW HORTON.

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I don't like J frames as general rule. They are usually a very limited niche platform for me. Nyeti and those w/him are have done a look at these platforms based on a close in defense/BUG use. At this time, this platform has a lot a of value. If the platform does not fit your need, don't buy it.

If you think the powerful caliber, longer barrel, etc. is what you need/desire, go to Lipsey's and persuade them to make what you want. Same with variants models of the MGs or anything else. These are good starts. Dutch67 speaks truth. So if the NPE model fits you, good. Understand that he had insight that matters, and allow for that.

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Do we know then these Ti models will ship? And will they be listed on the SW website or remain a Lipsey’s only option?

When will this round come to market?

Lipsey’s says mid-February.

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None of this hype makes any sense. With the 340PD you have a gun that is lighter and has 10X amount of ammo choices and you can load it with factory ammo that is as soft or crazy powerful as you want. This is just another product that will go away soon like the first run of .32's. Silly.

Now load it with 6 rounds at once......

Presumably soon since those involved in its development are okayed to talk about it, and I'm sure Federal wants to ride the wave from the current S&W releases.

That said, I haven't seen a date announced.

There will also be a more affordable practice round coming out along with it under Federal's American Eagle banner.

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