One of the reasons I bought the S&W was the threaded barrel. I have all the legally necessary paperwork, but I've never owned a suppressor before. There are two that I am strongly considering the Gemtech Outback II and the Tactical Innovations Tac 65.
I know they are close in size and most reviews have them close in overall db reduction. The Outback is sealed where the Tac65 can be disassembled for cleaning.
So my question is which do I get for my 15-22 ?
I appreciate any feedback from those that have experience with these items.
Thanks

dont have a suppressor yet but i order a griffin checkmate stainless spent alot of time looking at all the options but take aprt cans are the only way to go with how dirty 22s are i would have bought the tactical inovations can but the griffin lets me also use it on my 17hmr

Thanks I wasn't even aware of that option. I'll definitely check it out.

silencer talk is a good place to get alot of free info on differnt 22 cans silencerreasearch has a few free reviews but charge $30 for thier priemium reviews but the do have a test of like 20 differnt 22 cans

the silencerco sparrow and aac prodigy are 2 of the top choices out there but also are more pricey

havve shot a ruger mk2 pistol with a tac65 and it sound pretty quite to me

Cans are like cars, if I own a mustang its because I think mustangs arfe the best I can afford.. I don't own a mustang I've owned several mustangs but at the moment I'm content with my c5 vette right now... with that said most reputable manuf. make good cans and unless you have 2 of them you will never know which is quieter... I work for a weapons manuf. and I've "test fired" many different cans and my only advise is to not get a 22 cal. can... buy a bigger caliber.. if that is the only gun you want suppressed than intregally suppress it but if you buy a can then you can put on several guns ganted you didn't buy a 22 can... I like the Yhm phantom 556 or 762 because of the QD option and it makes it very easy to clean after use on a rimfiire

Hope this helps

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Thanks everyone the more info the better.

I have a YHM Phantom in 7.62 and use it on many guns. I have the QD on several 5.56 and it works great. You can not beat the price. I got mine for $550 (+$200fee). It is bigger and heavier than any 22 or 556 can but I can use it on my 308 f-class rifle which is the one I wanted it for.

and anything smaller than the .308... here is a man using his head... $750 spent and several host guns to stick it on...

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I have a Tac65 sitting at my local dealer waiting on my stamp to come back. I have never had a silencer but had the opportunity to hear both the cans you are asking about before making my decision. My local dealer stocks both cans and shot them both on a Marlin bolt action with subsonic ammo and they were both stupid quiet, as in Hollywood quiet. The only thing I really heard was the hammer dropping on the bolt and the bullet hitting the target (coffee can) downrange about 25 yrds. I have had pellet rifles that were MUCH louder than either of those setups.

As for the difference between the two, not much by my ears. More of a different tone than different volume levels. Like I said either will be very quiet. Expect your 15-22 to be slightly louder because of the semi auto action cycling and I wont always be using subsonic ammo.

I disagree with whoever said don't get a .22 can. It is by far the cheapest way way to get into the NFA game, my total costs were $475.00 including stamp. If you have multiple hosts (I have three) then you can justify the cost pretty easy. I have also been told not to shoot the dirty .22 ammo through a sealed can of larger caliber due to fouling. I've also been told that there is a bigger quality difference between different priced cans of larger calibers. In other words most .22 cans are going to give you very close to movie level suppression. However a cheap 5.56 can and a more expensive one, can have more variance.

In the end I chose the Tac65 because you can take it apart and it was in stock at my local dealer. Remember this, the aftermarket value of a used can is next to nothing and you never get your stamp money back, so you are pretty much married to the can forever. Make a wise choice and consider it a life long investment. Currently I'm saving up for an AAC M4-2000 for my 5.56 AR's.

When I got my can I went with the TI Quest, if you are going to get a can for life why not get a SS can that you can clean and not have to worry about wearing out. Yes I spent a little more up front but will never have to worry about what cleaners I am using to clean it or ever have to send it in for cleaning.

I like the idea of SS for longevity. I know it's stronger and can take higher pressures than aluminum. I was told SS cans are able to hold up under full auto fire - correct me if this is incorrect.
If I go with a larger caliber so the it fits on multiple firearms, does it reduce the effectiveness on the smaller .22 caliber or is it still just as quiet as a dedicated 22 can ?

no not at all.. atleast not enough that anyones ear can tell .... when you go to a larger cal. it has more volume(space) so its a trade off.. 22 cans are light and small which works well if you wanna install them on a small 22 pistol.. but a 308 can will be just as quiet if not quieter just because of the volume of space in it... the only downside to a larger cal. can is the size and weight.. ss doesnt mean its full auto rated.. the material the baffels themselves are made from and their thickness determines their rating.. ive heard 308 cans that were way quieter than 22 cans on the same 22 pistol..
the advantages of a larger can or atleast a 556 can is that it can be used on anything below the .223... .22lr, .22mag, 17hmr, 17machII, ar-15, just to name a few.. im still waiting on my paperwork at well over 2.5 months.. i gettin a .223 and a ..30 cal. to add to my personal collection... the 223 is 6.5 inches long so it will work well on pistols and rimfires along with a few varmint guns and ars, and th .30 cal. at 9.5 will be used on everything that own 30 cal and smaller.... hope this aids in your search

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nfatracker.com is a great place to get an idea of the time line your looking at. and you can see what alot of other people have choicen to purchase maybe some ops you didnt know you had

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Is there a can that would be suitable for 7.62, 5.56 and .22?

I'm an AK guy, but have an AR I am finishing up..

I'd like to be able to use the can on multiple weapons..

Yhm phantom 30 cal or 7.62 what ever they call it now.. you can get it and buy the qds with the ak thread and the ar thread in them and leave them on the weapons so you can bounce it around.... if I remember right the ak is a 14x 1.0mm left handed and of coarse the ar is 1/2-28 assuming ints a 223 and not an ar-10... the phantom will work on the ar-10 also but it will be a 5/8-24 or a 9/16-24 thread depending on who made it

Yhm isn't the only 1 that makes something like this but I've made a full auto phantom glow many times to the point that the barrel gave up and never hurt the phantom.. good company and good servise

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Rimfire....Advanced armament Element (cleanable)

5.56 Surefire FA556SA

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Pretty nice unit, just out of my league in cost. $700 + $200 stamp.. I guess I'll just stick with something like a Tac65 and run it between several .22's..

look at it like this if you buy the tac65 you will have close to 500 in it and a days worth of running around getting papers signed and fingerprints done.. and im sure after you have it you will wish you had one that fit and ar-15 or what ever is shooting tht day.. i figure mine up by how many doner guns i could use it on a phantom 7.62 will cost me about 30 dollars a gun if i thread no more... id atleast look at the phantom 556.. cost is in the middle and you can use it on 22 mags and 17hmrs 223 and thats just a few ops

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There's been a lot of good discussion and points made, but I think I'll have to go with one of the dedicated .22 suppressors for now. I'm not opposed to buying another later. to get one that is rated for full auto, or for larger calibers would be nice, but their size and weight would make them cumbersome on the 15-22 and the Walther P 22. I will be opting for a serviceable one (Gemtech now has one) and most possibly one that's SS. I'll just get a separate suppressor for the larger calibers where the weight won't make much difference. This one will be just for the S&W and the Walther.
Thanks again for all the input.

Makes sense. If you're going to regularly use it a lot on your 15-22 then hanging an 8 inch + two pound 7.62 Phantom boat anchor off the end of the barrel is a bit much.

Since it may be the only can you ever own, spend the money. You won't regret it. All of the cans mentioned are excellent choices. I still say Advanced Armament is hard to beat and the choices are many. The AAC Pilot and the GemTech Outback II are industry standards. Plus side: Extremely quiet with minimal 1st round pop. But, they're not user friendly, meaning no cleaning. Many will say, "you don't ever clean your muffler, why would you clean your suppressor." My answer is because I can. I reccomend a can that can be dissassembled for cleaning. The AAC Element is pretty much state of the art at this point in time, but pricy. I like my Prodigy, but still pricy. Now the YHM Mite is quite the little can. Extremely quiet, opens up for cleaning, is full auto rated if you need it, shorter and lighter in weight than most of the competition. I don't reccomend stainless, not needed on a semi-auto and generally twice the weight of the aluminum can. Some may like the added weight, but something to consider is a heavier can often creates keyholing problems when used on some pistols. Get a can that is flexible in that you can switch it from one weapon to another and remain problem free.

Opinions are like ***....., well you know. Ideally, if you can test some of the options yourself, its better. Not to repeat myself but, "Spend the money, you won't regret it."

Good points, but my main motivation for a suppressor is to be able to shoot more often at my house without annoying the neighbors.. I can't shoot the 7.62 and other larger weapons here anyway and when I can shoot them, a suppressor isn't needed..

I dunno, we'll see..

That's precisely what me and one of my shooting buddies have been discussing for .22 rifles and pistols.

For anyone interested I found a place on the net that has good prices (from what I've found) on various suppressors.
You will have to pay a class III dealer to transfer it , but it's still cheaper from the prices I was quoted to buy directly from the local dealer.
Rimfire Suppressors

i'm running an outback II and with subsonics all you hear is the bolt cycle. 2.5 ounces...awesome.

Been doing a little reading...

I think I'm down to something like the Tac65 or the Spectre simply for cleaning reasons..

I don't have a bead blaster for cleaning the Tac65.. Seems like stainless would be easier to clean as I could just soak it?

Both are good choices... but I wish you would consider the larger cans... just incase you ever want to shoot it on something larger.. but its your dime spend it how you feel you need too... just do yourself a favor.. go ahead and do it cause it takes several months average is 129 days from the time they get it till you get it back...

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I have done tons of research and just confused myself
The Tac 65 is one of if not the most economical, and it comes apart to clean. The outback II gets rave reviews for just a little more, but can't be taken apart. I've heard about the Silencerco Sparrow, but it's a lot more money and larger and heavier. I still think I want a dedicated 22 suppressor, but one that comes apart to clean. I would want a separate one for larger caliber due to size and weight. I know it's not the most economical in the long run, but it's what suits me and my needs.
I've heard good and bad on the Tac as well as the YHM Mite. There are review sites, but they keep all the good data for those that pay. I probably should, but it's just that the extra $30-$50 could go toward the suppressor cost.
I'm in no rush which is a good thing due to my procrastination, and the long wait on processing on Uncle Sam's end.
Anyone know of free reviews that put them side by side and possibly log db reading ?

Lol you guys spend way to much time looking at this stuff and not enough time filling out paperwork.. believe me I know... I was you 2 years ago.. 3 books and probably put on every atfs agents list for looking stuff up about them on the net.. I did it all... and what I've learned is that companies can claim db measurements but basicly its a bs test because most companies don't have a 5000 dollar db meter that is fast enough to actually test them but all the companies mention here make reliable suppressors that will drop dbs under the right conditions by 25-30 dbs and most of them claim that instead of saying a 10/22 with this can fires at 115dbs.. if you can only afford 1 can buy a larger can that can be put on multible guns and you will be happy you did .. but if you can afford more than 1 by all means get a dedicated 22 and a larger pistol cal. And a large rifle cal and you will be set... but don't do like I did and look around for 2 years then have to wait most of another to get what you want.. I personal like the yhm stuff because I've tested a lot of them and that's what we recommend to people wanting to buy there first 1.. I've played with every suppressor on this list...(its great to work with a weapons manuf. ) and I don't personally own any of them because I've got two sets of paper work with the atf right now awaiting approval.. quit putting off and do it..lol I wish I had of 2 years ago

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My concern is cleaning.. I think it has boiled down to that for me.. Insm willing to spend a little more on stainless, if I can just 50/50 soak rather than disassemble and bead blast.

you can clean a sealed can also, and if it ever gets bad enough that you cant clean it yhm will clean it for you... they are a great company to deal with and aim to please.. i have issuses with cans that come apart mainly because of just that, they come apart. i watch a friend blow a can off of a ar-15 and had to be repaired at his cost because the end cap got loose and caused a baffle strike.. that doesnt happen to sealed cans they dont come apart you have 1 set of threads to worry about not 3 or 4 sets... if do do get a can that comes apart.. get one that the baffles are all 1 piece and the barrel threads directly into that piece this will help with that problem.. hope this helps but please dont wait around cause when you decide you want it its going to be 5 months before you can have it... get the paper work started my friend.. you never know they can pass laws tomorrow to take the right to buy them illegal

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Paperwork is starting this week.. I can start before I buy, right or no?

Quest or Stratus - you will be happy with either

Parts of it you can take care of now .... you can get your finger printing done, your photos and get the highest law enforcement officer in your area could be sheriff and could be cheif of police to sign for it... but it would help if a class two or three dealer around you has it in stock...it will speed up the process greatly... get the form 4 if your buying or form 1 if your building your own and read threw it it tells you what you need and there are web sites to help you see how it should look hope this helps

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Yeh, it helps... I guess I need to figure out who my CLEO is.. I live in the county so I guess it's the Sheriff..

Yes a sheriff is a CLEO but there are others. check the ATF site to be sure which can do it - sorry don't have a link.

Also, a gun trust is another way to legally buy class III items. In my area no CLEO will sign off for any class III stuff, so I had an attorney set up a gun trust. Now, no finger prints, just make a copy of the trust, fill out the form 4, and pay for it...........then wait. once it gets approved I add the item to the last page which details all restricted items and take it home. If you can't get the CLEO there are other legal ways to get it.

Wonder if my LLC would be interested in a suppressor.. LOL..

What did your trust run? Spoke with a lawyer via the net, he wanted $600 for the trust... I've read about guys using Quicken Willmaker..

I've heard that Quicken and other cookie cutter programs can have problems when they are used as gun trusts. I don't know this from personal experience, just what I've heard.
The guy that did mine is an attorney as well as a CLEO in another part of the state. He drew mine up as a favor to a mutual friend for $250. But, it's specifically a gun trust. It's not a general revocable trust that is used for guns. It says on the first page it is intended for a gun trust.
I know they do run $500 + depending on who draws it up. To be honest I don't see why. Once someone owns one, they can retype the same exact legal phrases and jargon and simply change the city, state, county, and personal info and have someone else print it out. Once the legal rangling is done, it's done.
Hmmmmmmm..... perhaps I should make some copies and get together an order LOL

I only brought up the trust as an option to let everyone know that even if you don't have a CLEO to sign off you can still LEGALLY obtain otherwise restricted items and weapons. And if I'm not mistaken, the CLEO route means you need a signature every time you buy a new item. With the trust you just pay for the item, fill out the form 4, and pay the stamp and wait.

This is correct if you do it as a individual then every form 1 or 4 will need the signature even if they are done at the same time... another advantage to a trust is that there is no backgrounnd check and paper work takes roughly 60 days compaired to 129.. if you die my understanding is that the weapons/suppressors go to whoevers name is on the trust... with an individual they can be left in a will to an hier and no fees haft to be paid so your can can be past down to your son or daughter at no cost to them assuming they are not a felon

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That's what I was told about passing things down as well. I had mine set up with my wife as the executor of the trust with my kids as beneficiaries. So (God forbid) if something happened to me, my wife could legally own the class III weapons and they could later be owned by my kids uner the trust without the hassle of transfers or fees. The trust gives you more freedom and security as opposed to getting a CLEO to sign off on every weapon for a specific individual.
As Belt Fed noted these items can't be legally owned by anyone that is a convicted felon even if their name is on the trust.

Belt Fed - I see your point on having a sealed suppressor like the Outback II, but was told over time lead would build up that can't be cleaned out without disassemley. The carbon can be removed via soaking, but what about the lead ? can they be soaked in a lead disolving bore cleaner or would that screw up the finish ?
I've heard great things about the OutbackII but didn't want to buy something that I couldn't clean with the added expense of sending it in and paying to have it cleaned.

I've gotten a yhm phantom 556 back in the shop that no one had ever cleaned and they wanted to send it back for them... I took a look at it and decided to see if alittle cleaning would go along way so I filled it full of kroil and let it sit over night coame in and took 308 brush and run threw it to clean the main channel and then took a 12 gauge shot gun brush and used it for a few min then sprayed it back full and let it set again over night and repeated it the next day I may have even added some bore cleaner along the way.. but anyway we compaired it to a new 1 and know one could tell a difference... as long as you clean them after every use you won't have that problem...

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I've heard so many things good and bad about each brand. I found a good site that has the YHM Mite and the Tac 65 for $200 each. The Outback II is $299. I know there are more expensive models like the Silencerco Sparrow, but for $400-$500 are they that much better ?
I've decided not to go with a full auto rated as a requirement. I don't currently own a .22 SMG and with prices what they are I'm sure I won't be investing that much any time soon. Still need to lift the new truck and get bigger tires

I've put several different models on the same gun I've got a few friends that own different things and we get new ones in all the time that people order and they want a how too or hear the 1 they r buying... and ill be honest there ain't a dimes worth of difference in any of them even side by side... some models do a better job of taken care of that first round pop but a teaspoon of water will do that to any model. If your going to sppend 400 to 500 get a yhm phantom phantom with the qd you won't be sorry and use it on your 22s and 223.. if you want a 22 can yhm makes the maxum suppressors also for 22 we have 1 its off set so you can still see your sites no matter what gun you put it on... it doesn't come apart but it is bad ....

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Spoke with a local LEO about how our CLEO as in relation to Class 3 items. Seems to think there will be no issues.. Left the CLEO a voicemail, so we'll see..

I don't mind waiting 120+ days, I also don't mind photos, fingerprints, background checks.. I'm clean as a whistle and I've got all that on file as is with my work, I'll just have to get it done again..

I am not willing to pay $600 for a trust.. I may work out something else, but for me - $600 + $200 stamp + $350 suppressor = $1150 for a toy just to plink with on a $300 weapon doesn't add up.. Perhaps if I was a Columbia druglord and NEEDED the silence, I don't.. I just want another toy to play with on the end of my 15-22, 10-22, P-22 and others..

Spoke with my CLEO.. He said bring him the paperwork.. Gonna take it in Wednesday..

Anyone know of a good site that basically goes step by step for purchase?

I know where I'm going to buy it, so that's taken care of.. Just need to get it all rolling..

Your dealer will fill out the form 4 with the suppressor info, give you print cards and instructions for the CLEO - be sure he follows instructions. Return all to dealer with 2 passport photos and a check for $200 - the wait begins and about 6 months is the norm. Approved form is returned to dealer which authorizes the transfer - you get original to put in a safe place and keep a copy with your suppressor.

Awesome.. Thanks.

Glad your CLEO is willing to hook you up. It's not like that here in central Florida.........unfortunately.
Make sure you check around for pricing. If you can't find a good deal locally, you can buy on the net, avoid local taxes, and just have it transfered to a class III dealer for a fee (usually $25-$50) - which could still be less than buying locally.

Yeh, it seems I am fortunate.. When I get back in the country I am going to call Major Malfunction and see what his price would be.. Local guy quoted me $385 on a Spectre.. I was set on the Tac 65, but with the cleaning - I'd much rather just toss it into a 50/50 dip and call it a day..

Started looking at the Kodiak too, but I think the Spectre will be plenty..

I just want something to run between the MP 15, Ruger 10/22 and P22 and/or whatever .22LR I pick up..