Having issues with my gun:[

ChrisJuliano · Apr 21, 2012

Okay so I recently just bought this gun, my first gun ever. I purchased a barrel shroud and recieved it today, took it to a gun shop to have them removed my flashhider and they did, went home threaded on shroud and made it hand tight. When I went to rack my charging handle back it felt weird and when I let go of it, it didnt go the full way back (4mm gap).

Went back to gun shop they fixed it apparently but I went to put the shroud back on same thing happened, so I went to take it apart and it looks like the 2 long arms on the thing in the upper dosnt line up with the slots on the barrel assembly.

I dont know what to do

youseemym&p · Apr 21, 2012

did you stabilize the area between the upper and the barrel assembly when you torqued down the shroud? if you twisted the barrel inside the upper it could mis-align the bolt face.

ChrisJuliano · Apr 21, 2012

I think thats exactly what happened, I didnt stabilize anything I dont know what that even means honestly. I am going to my cousins house to see if he can fix ill update you guys when i get back.

youseemym&p · Apr 21, 2012

try to slightly torque the barrel backwards, with the action pulled back. if you can get them to marry well. support both pieces and have someone else thread the shroud on, once it is almost hand tight. give it a very small turn. it doesnt need to be super tight, just tight enough to hold. you should be all set then

ChrisJuliano · Apr 21, 2012

So I just got back, we concluded the 2 long black guide rodes on our firing assembly thing are bent, I HIGHLY doubt I did anything that woudl have done this so I think it was the shop.

Does anyone know where I can find a replacement peice? I think thats the only peice thats messed up. I am going to try to have my buddy bend it back he works with metal for a living and should be easy for him to straighten it out.

VV This pic confirmed what was wrong I found it online, thats how mine should look, but mine are so bent the silver peice cant move whole way foward.
http://www.gunsumerreports.com/Smith_Wesson_M&P15-22/Smith_Wesson_MP15-22_078.JPG

chuck s · Apr 21, 2012

You're not "having issues." You, or someone broke it!

The M&P15-22 is a plastic rifle with a steel barrel. If someone twisted the barrel in the plastic receiver they probably broke the receiver or the barrel nut. To remove the flash suppressor you need to clamp the barrel in a vice using barrel blocks otherwise you're likely to ruin the upper receiver.

If the "gunsmith" buggered the rifle he should fix it. Sure sounds like he didn't use barrel blocks. The bolt carrier rails fit in recesses in the back of the barrel and if the bolt carrier was in the rifle when it got twisted the rails got bent as well.

-- Chuck

RolandW · Apr 21, 2012

ChrisJuliano said:
Went back to gun shop they fixed it apparently but I went to put the shroud back on same thing happened...

Chris, what evidence was there that it was fixed? Did the bolt work properly after the second visit to the shop? Did you fire the rifle successfully then?
As Chuck says, you should never apply torque to the threaded end of the barrel on the 15-22 without having the barrel itself clamped securely so it can't spin inside the receiver.
If all you did was hand-tighten the shroud it seems unlikely that you could have done the damage, but if the gun was working after the second visit to the shop it would be hard to blame them. How well do you know them?

ChrisJuliano · Apr 21, 2012

chuck s said:
You're not "having issues." You, or someone broke it!

The M&P15-22 is a plastic rifle with a steel barrel. If someone twisted the barrel in the plastic receiver they probably broke the receiver or the barrel nut. To remove the flash suppressor you need to clamp the barrel in a vice using barrel blocks otherwise you're likely to ruin the upper receiver.

If the "gunsmith" buggered the rifle he should fix it. Sure sounds like he didn't use barrel blocks. The bolt carrier rails fit in recesses in the back of the barrel and if the bolt carrier was in the rifle when it got twisted the rails got bent as well.

-- Chuck

They said they took it all out when they did it, and said its fine and that the bend rails are suppose to be bent....lol

ChrisJuliano · Apr 21, 2012

RolandW said:
Chris, what evidence was there that it was fixed? Did the bolt work properly after the second visit to the shop? Did you fire the rifle successfully then?
As Chuck says, you should never apply torque to the threaded end of the barrel on the 15-22 without having the barrel itself clamped securely so it can't spin inside the receiver.
If all you did was hand-tighten the shroud it seems unlikely that you could have done the damage, but if the gun was working after the second visit to the shop it would be hard to blame them. How well do you know them?

I dont know them at all,I heard lots of pounding and banging in the back when they were doing stuff and from what I can see the 2 rails in the bolt assembly when you put into the upper the 2 long rails go right into the 2 slots by the barrel, well mine were bent and didnt go in there they are 1-2mm off... I think they jammed it in there.

Majorlk · Apr 21, 2012

ChrisJuliano said:
They said they took it all out when they did it, and said its fine and that the bend rails are suppose to be bent....lol

The rails in the bolt carrier group are NOT supposed to be bent. I think your "gunsmith" butchered your 15-22 and owes you a new one - especially if he cracked the receiver.

You may wind up in small claims court over this, because none of this is covered by your warranty.

ChrisJuliano · Apr 21, 2012

I looked all over didnt find any cracks, I am now uploading a pic of only issue I found.

Is there any knowledgable people in the pittsburgh area on this forum that would wanna meet up and check it out.

ChrisJuliano · Apr 21, 2012

Majorlk · Apr 21, 2012

The BCG bars need to replaced, as far as I am concerned. As for cracks, it's unlikely you can see anything without removing the barrel first. Any cracks will likely be where the barrel fits into the receiver and that can't be seen without disassembly.

Personally, I would send it back to S&W and let THEM check it out - and then sue the jerks who mangled it for the repair charges. As it stands, I wouldn't shoot your gun on a bet right now.

ChrisJuliano · Apr 21, 2012

I dont want to go through all the hassel to sue them, they will just lose my business and my friends.

I think with "BCG bars" the gun should be back to normal because thats only thing I could find that looked wrong so once I fix that I can then see if theres any other issue.

Where can I get new BCG bars? I am going to bend these ones back to normal and see if that fixes. My buddy works with metal for a living and said he can help me out monday.

RolandW · Apr 21, 2012

"Pounding and banging"? Ugh! Sounds more like a NASCAR pit stop than gunsmithing. Forgive me; I don't mean any disrespect, but your descriptions hint that you are not very familiar with how firearms work (join the club - I'm no expert either). I suggest you not depend on your metalworker friend to fix this thing; who knows what the Bubbas at the shop might have screwed up. Please find a competent gunsmith. This is too nice a weapon to have things all bent and twisted and binding inside. Good luck.

ChrisJuliano · Apr 21, 2012

I totally understand what you guys are saying. I feel like the easiest thing to do is to just bend the rails back and if that fixes ill be fine, if not I can buy new bcg rails. If that dosnt fix I will send it off to s&w (and prob pay out the *** to get fixed:[ ).

Majorlk · Apr 21, 2012

ChrisJuliano said:
I dont want to go through all the hassel to sue them, they will just lose my business and my friends.

So you're willing to eat the repair cost for the damage THEY did to your rifle?

I think with "BCG bars" the gun should be back to normal because thats only thing I could find that looked wrong so once I fix that I can then see if theres any other issue.

Pardon me for being blunt, but you don't even know the correct names for parts. What qualifies you to make repairs or even determine if something's wrong? You need someone who knows what they are doing!

Where can I get new BCG bars?

Smith & Wesson.

I am going to bend these ones back to normal and see if that fixes. My buddy works with metal for a living and said he can help me out monday.

Buddy, you need to stop playing around before you or someone around you gets hurt. You are NOT qualified to determine whether the firearm is OK or not. You need a REAL gunsmith, not some buddy who "works with metal for a living." Quit screwing around and send it to S&W.

ChrisJuliano · Apr 21, 2012

Majorlk said:
So you're willing to eat the repair cost for the damage THEY did to your rifle?

Pardon me for being blunt, but you don't even know the correct names for parts. What qualifies you to make repairs or even determine if something's wrong? You need someone who knows what they are doing!

Smith & Wesson.

Buddy, you need to stop playing around before you or someone around you gets hurt. You are NOT qualified to determine whether the firearm is OK or not. You need a REAL gunsmith, not some buddy who "works with metal for a living." Quit screwing around and send it to S&W.

I am not trying to be an ******* either, the help is greatly appreciated and every thought is taken in, not ignored. I know it sounds like I am ignoring you but I JUST got this gun, I dont have any other gun and I really like shooting it so dont want to wait a couple weeks to get my gun back. I am going to try to do the easiest, cheapest fix which is just to bend it back.

If that works, then it was a free fast fix, if it dosnt, not a big deal because I know I wouldnt be able to fix it for cheaper/faster, so I can send it off to s&w and have them fix it.

I would like to try to get the gun shop to pay for the damages but in all honesty unless the repairs are exspensive its just not worth the time, they will just lose mine and friends business.

youseemym&p · Apr 21, 2012

from the photo i can tell you exactly what they did.

they used a push and a hammer to remove the flash supressor *that was the pounding and banging* but before they did this the tried to turn it off. by grabbing the body of the rifle and twisting *from the angle of the bend about 45lbs of torque applied* in doing so it bent the **** out of that.

you can tell it is a twist issue because they are not bent outward or inward but up and down which is caused by torque of opposite pressure directions on each piece

i would definitely never visit this shop again

as well i would recommend demanding that they pay for any repairs, but but with that hack job, i wouldn't even entertain the idea of letting them touch it any more

Baddog · Apr 21, 2012

The title of this thread should be changed to I destroyed my 15 22. Chris do everyone a favor and listen to what they are telling you, bite the bullet now and send it back to S&W with a note telling them what you did. Believe me it will turn out better than having ths thing blow up in your face. Also find a new gun shop for your future needs.

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