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I am going to send s&w an email.
I will see how well this goes.
I will see how well this goes.
Having issues with my gun:[
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Dude, the "gunsmith" you went to broke your gun. You can attempt to bend the bolt rails back straight, and you might get it to sorta work. But, you need to get some new parts from the factory.
If you insist on trying to fix this yourself, please don't take it to a public range to shoot. Your repair attempts may endanger others around you.
If you insist on trying to fix this yourself, please don't take it to a public range to shoot. Your repair attempts may endanger others around you.
youseemym&p
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thats really the best and safest option for you. trying a home fix on a lawn mower is okay. but on a precision firearm with the capability to explode...you could endanger your own life and those around you. some of the guys on here seem coarse. but they are just looking out for your best interest.
i had a ruger 10-22 blow up in my face once. i almost lost my right eye, and suffered 2nd degree powder burns on my face and neck.
talk to S&W. it may cost you a bit, but a bit is better than your life or someone elses.
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*Sigh*
I understand it's your first gun & you are anxious to shoot it. I understand that because you are a new firearms enthusiast, you don't know what you don't know.
Everything in a firearm must work in concert, in a set sequence, for it to work. A slightly out of spec firearm may fire, but at the detriment of safety & longevity of the firearm.
The "gunsmiths" you paid to do a job, damaged your rifle. Pounding, banging, etc. The easily visible damage is to the bolt rails. I'm willing to bet there's more damage that isn't readily evident and/or misalignments that you can not see.
As a new firearms enthusiast, you don't know what you don't know yet.
You don't have the background knowledge, experience, or skill to be able to asses, identify damage, and repair it on your own. For the sake of your own safety & the safety of the other firearms enthusiasts on the range, send it back to S&W for diagnosis & repair.
It will be frustrating to be without your 15-22 for a couple weeks, but when you get it back you will know that it is 100% good to go.
He didn't destroy his 15-22. The individual who misrepresented themselves as a gunsmith with the appropriate knowledge to work on a 15-22 did.
Now if he carries on the bubba gunsmithing chain, then he's got a hand in destroying his 15-22.
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I am going to check out their email and go from there, if the bill is pricey I may just have to take them to court, a $5 service of taking my flashhider off turned into a huge nightmare.
I will hopefully have some info from s&w by monday. I will update you guys as soon as I know.
Thanks a ton guys we will see how this turns out
I will hopefully have some info from s&w by monday. I will update you guys as soon as I know.
Thanks a ton guys we will see how this turns out
youseemym&p
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I am going to check out their email and go from there, if the bill is pricey I may just have to take them to court, a $5 service of taking my flashhider off turned into a huge nightmare.
I will hopefully have some info from s&w by monday. I will update you guys as soon as I know.
Thanks a ton guys we will see how this turns out
even if the bill is $200. pay it. then take the morons to court.they will have to reimburse you for the repair. plus any court fees you may have to pay. youll win in the long run.
from now on if you don't see a S&W licensed dealer logo in a shop window or on the wall. don't let them touch it. I am a glock armorer myself and see many glocks come in that were fouled up by people who others believed knew what they were doing.
good luck bro
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What are the chances that I would win? They said they took the whole bolt assembly out to take flashhider off so it would be impossible for them to have done it if the court believes them, then ill be stuck with a big bill lol.
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Good to hear!
even if the bill is $200. pay it. then take the morons to court.they will have to reimburse you for the repair. plus any court fees you may have to pay. youll win in the long run.
from now on if you don't see a S&W licensed dealer logo in a shop window or on the wall. don't let them touch it. I am a glock armorer myself and see many glocks come in that were fouled up by people who others believed knew what they were doing.
Amazing the damage someone with 2-cents worth of polish & a dremel can do eh? I'll just adjust the ejection pattern by using the vise grips & bending the ejector. I'll take a file to the extractor.. LOL
OP, I'm confident in working on my semi-auto handguns & rifles. I do know that I know nothing about working on revolvers, so I don't.
I know we sounded harsh, but it's because most of us have probably been in your situation before. I'll admit to it. The key is to keep learning, little by little.
1. The S&W 15-22 worked before you brought it to them.
2. The receipt from the "gunsmith" should have a date stamp indicating when they worked on it.
3. The 15-22 malfunctioned right after they mangled it.
2. The receipt from the "gunsmith" should have a date stamp indicating when they worked on it.
3. The 15-22 malfunctioned right after they mangled it.
Keep the paper trail going. When speaking to the S&W technician, ask them for a detailed damage report. All the paperwork should help you in small-claims court. It's a ****-shoot, but at least you'll have some ammo.
Please send it to S&W so that the experts can determine the extent of the damage. Lets just hope that they can repair it for a reasonable price.
Please DO NOT attempt to repair it and try to fire it.
Being without your rifle will suck but it will be for the best in the long run.
Be Safe
Bill
Please DO NOT attempt to repair it and try to fire it.
Being without your rifle will suck but it will be for the best in the long run.
Be Safe
Bill
youseemym&p
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the odds of winning are in your favor. to be honest.
you brought their licensed business a working firearm.
they returned to you a non working firearm.
you paid them for a service which they screwed up.
taking the bolt assembly out is not required to remove a flash suppressor. that's like removing a cars engine to change the trunk latch.
you have documentation of the work preformed. documentation of when you purchased it. which if its your first purchase i cannot imagine is that long ago. guns don't get that type of damage by themselves.
when you send it to smith they will be able to determine what happened to that and will give you a detailed report.
that's all you need.
you brought their licensed business a working firearm.
they returned to you a non working firearm.
you paid them for a service which they screwed up.
taking the bolt assembly out is not required to remove a flash suppressor. that's like removing a cars engine to change the trunk latch.
you have documentation of the work preformed. documentation of when you purchased it. which if its your first purchase i cannot imagine is that long ago. guns don't get that type of damage by themselves.
when you send it to smith they will be able to determine what happened to that and will give you a detailed report.
that's all you need.
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Courts aside.. the fact is that the only way the rails for the bolt carrier group got bent like that, is if *someone* (notice I said someone, because honestly I don't now who did this) tried to turn the barrel nut loose without clamping the barrel in a barrel vice jaw, and this had to be done with the rifle completely assembled because the rail ends interface into the chamber block on the barrel.
There could be lots more damage to this rifle. The upper receiver could be cracked where the barrel goes through the upper, the plastic tracks where the carrier rails ride could be gouged out from the rails turning inside the upper. And who knows what kind of damage was done to the barrel nut! Did they even have the proper tool?
It's sad to see this, but plain and simple it needs to go back to S&W to be repaired correctly, no matter the cost.. Safety First.. It's a FIREARM.
There could be lots more damage to this rifle. The upper receiver could be cracked where the barrel goes through the upper, the plastic tracks where the carrier rails ride could be gouged out from the rails turning inside the upper. And who knows what kind of damage was done to the barrel nut! Did they even have the proper tool?
It's sad to see this, but plain and simple it needs to go back to S&W to be repaired correctly, no matter the cost.. Safety First.. It's a FIREARM.
Hello, i am from pittsburgh, Baldwin Boro to be exact, i would gladely meet you somewhere, but to be honest that damage is really beyond repair by a lay person. From the way the bolt arms are bent there has to be damage to the rails they slide on as well, even with a brand new bolt assembly chances are the new bolt assembly still will stick, bty what gun shop did you go to?, pghrich
Majorlk
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You have ZERO experience with firearms and now you suddenly are competent to decide if it's safe to shoot? You put your admitted lack of knowledge against the many combined years of experience of those telling you to send it to S&W and MAKE SURE is it safe to shoot. You lived your whole life so far without this firearm and suddenly you can't stand to not have it long enough to insure it is safe to shoot?
Do what you want; it's your face and your hands if the receiver is cracked, the barrel misaligned, added to a defective bolt carrier and you have an accident.
I'm out of this discussion.
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S&W will be repairing my gun, I am going to see what itll cost and send it out. I dont want to second guess my gun ever not working properly so I am going to send it off to them.
I took it to altac firearms in jackson center PA. I am going to keep all paper work and will see what I can do. I just feel like the court will view to their favor because I shot the gun before leaving there and it worked properly, it just wouldnt disassemble because they jammed the rods in which I didnt know at the time when I said it works okay.
I took it to altac firearms in jackson center PA. I am going to keep all paper work and will see what I can do. I just feel like the court will view to their favor because I shot the gun before leaving there and it worked properly, it just wouldnt disassemble because they jammed the rods in which I didnt know at the time when I said it works okay.
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Hey partner, take the advise of the members here in this thread and send your 15-22 back to S&W and get it FIXED RIGHT! I sure would hate to be in the shooting lane next to you not knowing the you were shooting with HACKED rifle repair!
just sayn.
Hey partner, take the advise of the members here in this thread and send your 15-22 back to S&W and get it FIXED RIGHT! I sure would hate to be in the shooting lane next to you not knowing the you were shooting with HACKED rifle repair!
just sayn.
chuck s
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Chris --
S&W is the best resource to repair this rifle. It was damaged thru someone's stupidity but S&W should be able to repair it. Cost may be significant or merely a new set of bolt rails. Either way I'd call or email them and request their assistance.
A lesson we can all take from this is to not dick with the rifle unless we know what we're doing. Someone here had no clue.
-- Chuck
S&W is the best resource to repair this rifle. It was damaged thru someone's stupidity but S&W should be able to repair it. Cost may be significant or merely a new set of bolt rails. Either way I'd call or email them and request their assistance.
A lesson we can all take from this is to not dick with the rifle unless we know what we're doing. Someone here had no clue.
-- Chuck
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Great choice Chris!
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It is going to be repaired properly, I am very excited to see s&w's response and hopefully I will be able to get this mess fixed within 1-2 weeks.
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