New M&P 9mm full size 4.25 barrel owner.

[trevorlay]

I just got my gun 2 weeks ago, I have about 150 rounds through it, I cleaned it before use, but I am having some problems,

1: I am having misfeeds, I will be shooting and then in the middle of the mag ill try to pull the trigger, and nothing, I rack it back and see the round in the chamber just loosey goosey in there and have to just dump it out and go back to shooting this happens on average about 1/50 rounds.. I asked the range master and he said i was probably limp wristing it.. could this be the cause..?

2: the casing from the rounds are hitting me in the face, top of the head, chest, cheek, one even burned my wife's chest.. I also asked about this and the girl at the range desk said yeah that's just how the M&P's eject... is this true..? I really want to like this gun but I am having issues with it.. Every one I talked to recamended this gun to me, and its less reliable than the Hipoint my brother in law has... grr. what do I do? is it me? is it the gun?

3: I noticed the visual round indicator was kind of off with 16 rounds, I reloaded it and it lined up with the holes fine.. is it possible I'm loading the mags wrong..? IE: the 16 round whole (16 rounds where in the mag) showed parts of 2 rounds, when I reloaded it, it showed a solid brass of one round..


please any advice would be of great help, thank you!

[m&p9mmAG3NT]

i bought the same gun april 27th and 950 rounds through not one problem.... i have been hit in the face with casings though-just like at work keep your mouth shut or blood can fly in- in this case shells

[67GTONUT]

As far as casing coming back at you...... I have had this issue, but only with Blazer Aluminum rounds....... Try some different ammo, might make a difference for you.....

[JaPes]

Originally Posted by trevorlay

1: I am having misfeeds, I will be shooting and then in the middle of the mag ill try to pull the trigger, and nothing...

...this happens on average about 1/50 rounds.. I asked the range master and he said i was probably limp wristing it.. could this be the cause..?

Yes. Limp wristing any semi-auto handgun can cause cycling issues. This can be a contributing factor to your problems.

Originally Posted by trevorlay

2: the casing from the rounds are hitting me in the face, top of the head, chest, cheek, one even burned my wife's chest.. I also asked about this and the girl at the range desk said yeah that's just how the M&P's eject... is this true..?

I can not attest to the ejection pattern of other M&P 9's, but mine ejects predictably and consistently to the right.

If you are really limp wristing the firearm, then the limp wristing can be a contributing factor to your issues.

Originally Posted by trevorlay

3: I noticed the visual round indicator was kind of off with 16 rounds, I reloaded it and it lined up with the holes fine.. is it possible I'm loading the mags wrong..? IE: the 16 round whole (16 rounds where in the mag) showed parts of 2 rounds, when I reloaded it, it showed a solid brass of one round..

huh?

If possible, a little more information can help. IMO, 150 rounds is still within the break in of the firearm.

Is this your first semi-auto handgun?

What are the details of the ammo you fired? Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ's? Federal Champion 115gr FMJ? Blazer Aluminum... Steel Case TulAmmo? Gun show reloads?

You said you cleaned it before use. That's good. Did you also lube it? Drop of oil on the rails, in the slide's rail channel, light coat on the barrel itself?

The best way to figure out whether it's you or the gun is to make sure the gun is cleaned & lubed, get some factory ammo, and have someone else shoot a mag through it.

I usually try to keep an eye on the other shooters on the firing line. Usually there be at least two that evidence good shooting fundamentals and skill. I'll apologize for interrupting, explain my firearm issue, and politely ask them to fire a mag through it. The majority of firearms enthusiasts are nice people, and are very willing to help.

[jaykellogg]

Limp wristing is a problem for the really small lightweight handguns. IMO, the weight of your M&P and the excellant grip make that a remote possibility.

Mine holds 17 rounds, so I am a bit puzzled about you speaking of 16 rounds. The mags have indicators on two sides, one for an even count, one for the odd count. If it has 15 rounds in it, you shouldn't be able to see the cartridges on the "even count" side. Are both of your mags the same? I would mark the mags and see if the problem is with both of them or one only.

[SEIndSAM]

Originally Posted by jaykellogg

Limp wristing is a problem for the really small lightweight handguns. IMO, the weight of your M&P and the excellant grip make that a remote possibility.

Mine holds 17 rounds, so I am a bit puzzled about you speaking of 16 rounds. The mags have indicators on two sides, one for an even count, one for the odd count. If it has 15 rounds in it, you shouldn't be able to see the cartridges on the "even count" side. Are both of your mags the same? I would mark the mags and see if the problem is with both of them or one only.

I am going to politely disagree, limp wristing can be an issue even with the full sized M&P.
I have an identical M&P as the OP. When my wife started shooting this gun, she was having limp wristing issues with it. After being shown the proper way to hold it and the proper stance by a State Police Firearms Instructor, the cycling issues disappeared and it's now her favorite handgun.

[a_keith13]

I have the exact same gun and i havent had any issues like the ones you describe. I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 800 rounds through mine. I have not had a single misfeed.

I have shot Blazer Brass, Speer Lawman, Remington and Winchester White box (had one dud out of the 100 round box), and i cant say exactly where the castings have gone, but none of them have ever come back at me.

I would let someone else shoot it and see what they think. If it doesnt seem right, give S&W a call. From what i hear if you have an issue they will make it right. I also hear people getting their guns back with a little extra in the box for their trouble, like another mag.

[trevorlay]

Originally Posted by JaPes

huh?

If possible, a little more information can help. IMO, 150 rounds is still within the break in of the firearm.

Is this your first semi-auto handgun?

What are the details of the ammo you fired? Winchester White Box 115gr FMJ's? Federal Champion 115gr FMJ? Blazer Aluminum... Steel Case TulAmmo? Gun show reloads?

You said you cleaned it before use. That's good. Did you also lube it? Drop of oil on the rails, in the slide's rail channel, light coat on the barrel itself?

The best way to figure out whether it's you or the gun is to make sure the gun is cleaned & lubed, get some factory ammo, and have someone else shoot a mag through it.

I usually try to keep an eye on the other shooters on the firing line. Usually there be at least two that evidence good shooting fundamentals and skill. I'll apologize for interrupting, explain my firearm issue, and politely ask them to fire a mag through it. The majority of firearms enthusiasts are nice people, and are very willing to help.

yes it can hold 17, i just had loaded 16, I have photos but It wont let me post them from my pc, I'll try to show you via photobucket or something.



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hope the photos help. I am sure limp wristing may be the misfeed issue , but seems kind of odd no one else of my friends had this issue.. hmm but the rounds hitting me in the face is find at the range but like i said if I needed to defend my family I don't want hot casings in my eyes as I try to defend my home and family... Thanks again!

EDIT: Yes this is my 1st handgun of any type.

[McBear]

I had some similar issues. What kind of ammo were/are you using?

Here is the thread from last week. We seem to have solved the problem by running reasonably good ammo through. Previously I ran some old [unknown] and TulAmmo through.

M&P9FS Jammed up & FTFs today at range???

[trevorlay]

Originally Posted by McBear

I had some similar issues. What kind of ammo were/are you using?

Here is the thread from last week. We seem to have solved the problem by running reasonably good ammo through. Previously I ran some old [unknown] and TulAmmo through.

M&P9FS Jammed up & FTFs today at range???

1st i used the range "Get some Guns and ammo" reloaded ammo then I thought it could be the ammo and tried Winchester White box.. same problems.. starting to wish I wen't with a glock even though I didn't like the grip and some other things as well...

[Old Reliable]

Ok, so I have the same gun and, minus the thumb safety and a couple thoughts are popping in my head. Mine has 600 rounds down the pipe.

1. In my limited experience, the m&p does not seem to be especially prone to limp wristing. However I only own 1 out of however many s&w has made. I caught myself a few times not gripping the gun very well when I was first getting to know it with no problems except an off target shot. My wife is notorious for it (doesn't shoot much) and it behaved for her, as well.

2. I got knocked on the top of the head quite a few times during the first 50 rounds I shot. It has not happened since and ejects in a very consistent direction. It is annoying to get hit in the head with a spent case, especially if it hits your hearing protection.

3. My mag round number indicators line up pretty even. I wonder if you have a mag problem that is contributing to the feed problems? You mentioned that you have cleaned the gun before firing, so is it possible that you disassembled the mags and have something put together wrong? For that matter, any chance you have a bit of cleaning patch, q tip, or other cloth remnants hiding in the gun or mag from the first cleaning? Ask me how I learned to look for that!

If all else fails call up S&W. They will help you out. I know it stinks to have to send in a new gun, but it happens to everyone sooner or later.

Oh, I have fed my gun Federal, Remington, Winchester, and Fiocchi without a glitch- mostly 115 grain, but a few 125's and 147's.

[Pokerstar]

Have you tried more than the 1 magazine? It could be that there is an issue with the feed lips on the mag. I would try a box or 3 of a decent ammo (or better yet a few different types of factory) and see how it breaks in. I would make certain it is lubed, but not over-lubed.

Make certain of your hold, and see what happens. Good Luck. i have several M&P's and they are fantastic.

[JaPes]

Originally Posted by trevorlay

1st i used the range "Get some Guns and ammo" reloaded ammo then I thought it could be the ammo and tried Winchester White box.. same problems.. starting to wish I wen't with a glock even though I didn't like the grip and some other things as well...

Don't buy into the mythical Glock "perfection" my friend. The Glock Gen4 9mm has ongoing issues with erratic brass ejection. I used to own two of them. One threw brass back at my head and sometimes over & left. For a while, Glock was issuing a new RSA every other month. Then the problem spread to new production Gen3's.

It seems to me that your issues are coming from using weak ammo during break in & occiasional unconscious limp wristing.

Unless you reloaded the rounds yourself, you won't know if the reloading was done right. WWB is inexpensive practice ammo. In my experience, it's loaded just enough to cycle the slide. In a brand new handgun that isn't broken in, inexpensive practice ammo can cause issues.

Try buying a box of factory 124 or 147 grain ammo. I recommend Winchester Ranger. Shoot that box of ammo using a death grip. Grip so hard that your hands start to tremor just a little, lock the elbow of your strong side grip. Your primary goal is to test function. Accuracy is secondary.

Once you've finished that box of 124 or 147 grain ammo, switch back to WWB or any other factory loaded practice ammo. Use a grip strength that is firm to the point just before you get tremors in your hands. While extended, lock your strong side elbow.

[trevorlay]

My mag round number indicators line up pretty even. I wonder if you have a mag problem that is contributing to the feed problems? You mentioned that you have cleaned the gun before firing, so is it possible that you disassembled the mags and have something put together wrong? For that matter, any chance you have a bit of cleaning patch, q tip, or other cloth remnants hiding in the gun or mag from the first cleaning? Ask me how I learned to look for that!

If all else fails call up S&W. They will help you out. I know it stinks to have to send in a new gun, but it happens to everyone sooner or later.

Oh, I have fed my gun Federal, Remington, Winchester, and Fiocchi without a glitch- mostly 115 grain, but a few 125's and 147's.

I did not disassemble the mags or clean them apart from cleaning the plastic top of them.
I'll try some non 115grain WWB and see if that helps (hope they don't just hit me in the face harder :[ lol.

[Maddmax]

Originally Posted by trevorlay

I just got my gun 2 weeks ago, I have about 150 rounds through it, I cleaned it before use, but I am having some problems,

1: I am having misfeeds, I will be shooting and then in the middle of the mag ill try to pull the trigger, and nothing, I rack it back and see the round in the chamber just loosey goosey in there and have to just dump it out and go back to shooting this happens on average about 1/50 rounds.. I asked the range master and he said i was probably limp wristing it.. could this be the cause..?

2: the casing from the rounds are hitting me in the face, top of the head, chest, cheek, one even burned my wife's chest.. I also asked about this and the girl at the range desk said yeah that's just how the M&P's eject... is this true..? I really want to like this gun but I am having issues with it.. Every one I talked to recamended this gun to me, and its less reliable than the Hipoint my brother in law has... grr. what do I do? is it me? is it the gun?

3: I noticed the visual round indicator was kind of off with 16 rounds, I reloaded it and it lined up with the holes fine.. is it possible I'm loading the mags wrong..? IE: the 16 round whole (16 rounds where in the mag) showed parts of 2 rounds, when I reloaded it, it showed a solid brass of one round..


please any advice would be of great help, thank you!

Same M&P, ZERO issues. 3-5000 rounds through it.

Could be the "cheap" range ammo reloads,limp wristing,new "tight gun" or a combo of all for #1. It's break-in time.

Clean and lube it again just like the book says (get the "new" gunk out of it) from that cheap reloaded range ammo ****. Buy some good name brand factory ammo and shoot that for break in. Get some different brands too. Break in will/can be 500+ rounds at least.

#2 Ejection problem could be that cheap-o range ammo again,a dirty gun hanging up from that same range ammo and (added in),it wouldn't take much of a limp wrist. Also could be part of "New Gun Break-in". The range girl at the desk is full of ****. I have seven (7) M&P's and ALL eject to the right and rear. No rounds in the face,head,etc.

#3 Get an UpLuLa loader for your mags. You'll get 17 in there easy. ALSO as you are loading mags. Tap the back of the mag on the palm of your hand (primer side to palm) every few rounds and once the mag is full, to seat the rounds properly. That could also help your feeding problem.

[trevorlay]

Originally Posted by Maddmax

Same M&P, ZERO issues. 3-5000 rounds through it.

Could be the "cheap" range ammo reloads,limp wristing,new "tight gun" or a combo of all for #1. It's break-in time.

Clean and lube it again just like the book says (get the "new" gunk out of it) from that cheap reloaded range ammo ****. Buy some good name brand factory ammo and shoot that for break in. Get some different brands too. Break in will/can be 500+ rounds at least.

#2 Ejection problem could be that cheap-o range ammo again,a dirty gun hanging up from that same range ammo and (added in),it wouldn't take much of a limp wrist. Also could be part of "New Gun Break-in". The range girl at the desk is full of ****. I have seven (7) M&P's and ALL eject to the right and rear. No rounds in the face,head,etc.

#3 Get an UpLuLa loader for your mags. You'll get 17 in there easy. ALSO as you are loading mags. Tap the back of the mag on the palm of your hand (primer side to palm) every few rounds and once the mag is full, to seat the rounds properly. That could also help your feeding problem.

just got some American Eagle 147 grain FMJ Flat Tips to try ill put the 50 rounds through asap, and the rest of the rounds I have laying around, I found a guy that's a Smith & Wesson certified gunsmith that recommended the higher powered rounds for the M&P. and said he would take a look for free to see if he could see anything wrong with the gun, if he finds a problem I'll probably have to send it into Smith and Wesson...

I'll also be having 3 new people shoot it hopefully tomorrow.. so that should rule out some of the things I could be doing wrong.

wish me luck!

thanks for all the input

[JaPes]

I must reiterate that after breaking in my handgun with 50rds 124gr +P Winchester Ranger JHP's and 50rds 147gr Winchester Ranger FMJ, my M&P 9 digests inexpensive 115gr FMJ practice ammo with no issues.

After properly breaking in your pistol, it should fire 115gr just fine. You shouldn't have to purchase 124 or 147 grain ammo just for practice.

Remember to lube the M&P 9. Drop of oil down the slide's rail recess on both sides. Drop of oil on the frame rails. Drop of oil on the barrel, rub it around with your fingers. Without a mag in the well & no ammo in the gun, manually cycle the slide to distribute the lube.

I suggest that after shooting up your 124 grain truncated tip ammo, switch to 115gr. Have the same 3 people shoot it with 115gr. You'll then know whether or not your pistol's issues firing 115gr ammo lie with you or the gun.

If everything runs fine tomorrow, cool.

If your gun still has issues, cut to the chase and call S&W customer service. Put your 1 year warranty / Lifetime Limited Service Warranty to use.

Good luck.

[trevorlay]

I put a box of 50, 147 grain ammo through it today and a half box of 128 NATO ammo and more 115 grain practice ammo. 4 users, only one user and my wife who looked to be a little limp wristing it a bit had problems with it spitting in the face, chest. No misfeeds. So UK Finnish up my ammo before I have a gun Smith look at it.

[trevorlay]

I was wondering if maybe I'm accidently activating the safety (it's in a real bad spot for my hand grip) slightly and if that may have caused some problems? Would removing the safety void warranty and is it something I could do or would it require a gunsmith?

[JaPes]

Cool. It sounds like the issue was a combo of limp wristing and bare minimum charged 115 gr practice ammo during break in.

After firing the 128 gr. NATO & 147 gr., did you try any 115 gr practice ammo today (WWB, Federal Champion, TulAmmo, etc..)?

When you get home & clean it, take a look at the frame and slide. Do you see any unusual witness marks or signs of wear on the frame rails or the slide? After cleaning and lubing, with a safe weapon (no mag, no ammo), manually cycle the slide. Do you feel any noticeable dragging or hitches in the slide movement?

[trevorlay]

Originally Posted by JaPes

Cool. It sounds like the issue was a combo of limp wristing and bare minimum charged 115 gr practice ammo during break in.

After firing the 128 gr. NATO & 147 gr., did you try any 115 gr practice ammo today (WWB, Federal Champion, TulAmmo, etc..)?

When you get home & clean it, take a look at the frame and slide. Do you see any unusual witness marks or signs of wear on the frame rails or the slide? After cleaning and lubing, with a safe weapon (no mag, no ammo), manually cycle the slide. Do you feel any noticeable dragging or hitches in the slide movement?

Yes I fired 115 grain as well, I'll get back to you tonight about the cleaning.

[trevorlay]

If your gun still has issues, cut to the chase and call S&W customer service. Put your 1 year warranty / Lifetime Limited Service Warranty to use.

Good luck.

The warranty is only one year!? I was told it is life time for the original owner?

[JaPes]

Originally Posted by trevorlay

The warranty is only one year!? I was told it is life time for the original owner?

That's the Limited Lifetime Service Warranty.

[trevorlay]

Originally Posted by JaPes

That's the Limited Lifetime Service Warranty.

What's the difference? Cleaning gun now

[trevorlay]

Originally Posted by JaPes

When you get home & clean it, take a look at the frame and slide. Do you see any unusual witness marks or signs of wear on the frame rails or the slide? After cleaning and lubing, with a safe weapon (no mag, no ammo), manually cycle the slide. Do you feel any noticeable dragging or hitches in the slide movement?

Just cleaned it, Didn't notice anything different from other cleanings, cleaned it up good with M Pro 7 and then lubed it up with M Pro 7 LPX. I don't or rather have not used any "white grease" as M Pro was the only thing recommended to me by a friend, do I need a Grease on the rails?

[trevorlay]

Originally Posted by JaPes

That's the Limited Lifetime Service Warranty.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...4_757812_image
I don't see anything about a one year limited lifetime warranty here?