is this legally concealed ???

[Smith Wesson]

is this legally concealed and carry
i wouldn't want any problems i was told the sneakypeet isnt cc legal i dont see how this is any differant ??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-hcS5hpMCM

[M29since14]

Why wouldn't it be legal? It conceals the gun and it is obviously a "holster" designed to securely control the gun while being worn. Doesn't look very comfortable to me, but that wasn't your question.

[Willcoe]

As long as you comply with your state's laws on concealed carry, ie: permit, qualification, etc...Concealed is concealed. Who ever told you that the pictured is "not legal" is stupid. However in my opinion, that "holster" is also STUPID. I'd feel safer with a gun in my pocket over that thing.

[Inusuit]

No reason it would be illegal in Wyoming.

[murphydog]

Seems to meet the definition of concealed carry; however, it takes both hands to use, and I can imagine it working for only a limited range of gun and gut sizes .

[Smith Wesson]

im in chicago ... my concern is that part of the holster is exposed (not a clip. but a box shaped like a cell phone )... ive read that holsters that conceal outside of the body are not legal .. ie.. sneaky peet .. im not 100% .. but im sure i read that in a thread on here ...

[M29since14]

So in Chicago your only choice is to wear a jacket or other garment that covers your leather gear? Seems bizarre. Oh yeah, you said Chicago. Never mind.

I was thinking exactly what Murphydog said about "gut sizes." I haven't looked much like the fellow in that picture for 20 years now. I can't see that rig doing me much good.

[federali]

While some off-the-wall jurisdictions might nit-pick this holster, the gun is concealed and I don't see a problem with it.

[McE]

The gun is inside your waistband. A sneaky pete has the gun outside of your waistband. They are nothing alike.


As for this urban carry thing, it's all fun and games until you try to draw while sitting down.

[Randyp1234]

Originally Posted by M29since14

So in Chicago your only choice is to wear a jacket or other garment that covers your leather gear? Seems bizarre. Oh yeah, you said Chicago. Never mind.

I was thinking exactly what Murphydog said about "gut sizes." I haven't looked much like the fellow in that picture for 20 years now. I can't see that rig doing me much good.

I can tell you that for those of us with a little "overhang" (or not so little) that this holster basically doesn't work. I tried it.

Randy

[fixitfred]

I keep hearing that the gun laws in Chicago are among the nations toughest. Does the Godfather (Rahm) allow you to carry concealed?

Interesting holster I'll have to look into it. Other than the two handed draw it looks very interesting.

[Buford57]

Originally Posted by fixitfred

I keep hearing that the gun laws in Chicago are among the nations toughest. Does the Godfather (Rahm) allow you to carry concealed?

Interesting holster I'll have to look into it. Other than the two handed draw it looks very interesting.

After years of fighting for it in court and the legislature we have shall issue concealed carry and the greatest measure of preemption we've ever enjoyed. What we are still dealing with is the process of working through interpretation through the courts. Even before the McDonald and Shepherd decisions in the Federal courts state courts had clarified some issues such as the definition of "case" or "container" for vehicular transportation of firearms and came down generally on the side of the people. This is another example. One officer or prosecutor says "If you can see any part of the holster it isn't concealed". If you don't want to be the test case, you wear an adequate cover garment, pocket carry or use a bellyband until it's resolved in the courts.

[Don 73]

Concealed? Yes. Comfy or practical? I don't know, that would be a subjective opinion. IMO the primary purpose of concealed carry is to spare the feelings and sensitivities of those who don't share our views on carrying a gun (keep the anti's from panicking). What's left "sticking out" looks like a phone case, not any type of holster. Perhaps someone "In the know" will make you as carrying, but I think it's safe to say that over 95% of the people around you won't have a clue.

Just a tip: Don't wear tight pants, you'll print and make the draw harder due to added friction and don't overly tighten your belt, that will trap the gun below the waistline and you'll never get it out without undoing your pants.

[hstrawn]

Originally Posted by fixitfred

I keep hearing that the gun laws in Chicago are among the nations toughest. Does the Godfather (Rahm) allow you to carry concealed?

Interesting holster I'll have to look into it. Other than the two handed draw it looks very interesting.

and thanks to their 'tough gun laws', there hasn't been a shooting in chicago in years/months/days/minutes/seconds!
(you select the time period)

[WuzzFuzz]

If you cannot see the weapon, then it is concealed. Period. It doesn't matter if it's in a cardboard box carried under your arm. If you can't see the weapon, then it is concealed.

If you can see a holster, but cannot see a weapon, then it is concealed.

If you see a person with a portion of a holster exposed, you can only ASSUME the person is carrying a weapon.

If a officer stops you because he sees a holster exposed, and there is no weapon in it, is he going to arrest you for carrying a empty holster?

If you can see the weapon, or any portion of a weapon or even a outline of a weapon being carried in a pocket, then that is no longer being concealed....The outline of a weapon as being seen as a bulge in one's pocket, and the outline shows the bulge to be a weapon, then the weapon is no longer being concealed.

Concealed means, to be hidden, secrecy. act of concealing.


Usage of a holster to carry a weapon, is just and only that...A means of carriage. A holster is not a means of concealment

WuzzFuzz

[Rowlette]

The weapon is still considered concealed even if an outline of the weapon can be seen but I prefer that NO ONE has any idea that I have defensive tool on my person.
As for the Op question it is a concealment holster but for me I would pass. Having a weapon near my junk is not going to happen. I conceal at 4-5 o'clock position which for me is the most comfortable and least noticeable to the outside world.

[WuzzFuzz]

Tell me...how is it concealed if I know what it is, before asking you to empty your pockets?

I cannot quote you the exact case at this moment, but it was up held the person was not carrying a concealed weapon. The officer knew it was a gun, because of the outline in the persons pants caused to officer to make the arrest of carrying a concealed weapon...The judge over ruled. It could not be considered concealed if the officer knew what it was.


WuzzFuzz

[Rowlette]

I agree, it was that obvious but a good designed holster covers all but the handle and a good shirt covers the rest. But there are times you can move in a certain position that the handle outline maybe seen and that is still considered concealed.

[WuzzFuzz]

I might add, open carry and concealed carry are distinctly different.

As Buford57 makes note...Interpretation...not all of the courts are on the same page on their rulings though.

But precedent has been set, and has been ruled on.


WuzzFuzz

[Randyp1234]

Public Act 098-0063

Section 5. Definitions. As used in this Act:

"Concealed firearm" means a loaded or unloaded handgun
carried on or about a person completely or mostly concealed
from view of the public or on or about a person within a
vehicle.

[WuzzFuzz]

Rowlette, this may help answer your question of, what if a portion is exposed for a moment, but this is old..2013, from Florida...

Note: This is Florida, not all states interpret the same. Also, this is not the exact case I was referring to in my posts above.

Legal Gun Carrier Arrested For Carrying Gun


WuzzFuzz

[WuzzFuzz]

Originally Posted by Randyp1234

Public Act 098-0063

Section 5. Definitions. As used in this Act:

"Concealed firearm" means a loaded or unloaded handgun
carried on or about a person completely or mostly concealed
from view of the public or on or about a person within a
vehicle.

Randy, thank you for your reference to Public Act 098-0063...

Was that public law under Federal statues or state?

WuzzFuzz
[/U]

[Randyp1234]

Originally Posted by WuzzFuzz

Randy, thank you for your reference to Public Act 098-0063...

Was that public law under Federal statues or state?

WuzzFuzz
[/U]

That was from the Illinois law.

Randy

[CH4]

Originally Posted by murphydog

Seems to meet the definition of concealed carry; however, it takes both hands to use, and I can imagine it working for only a limited range of gun and gut sizes .

I was thinking the same thing about gut size. You gotta be 12 or anorexic.

[Randyp1234]

Smith Wesson - If you get this and it happens to be for a Shield get the large rather than the medium that they says fits the Shield. I got the medium and it didn't let the Shield ride low enough to go below my belt line. I'm sure you can imagine how uncomfortable a Shield at 1:00 is for anyone with "overhang". :-)

Randy

[NYlakesider]

That "device" as uncomfortable as it looks sort of fits my definition of concealed.

Here in the people republic of NY there are many people that will call you in if they even suspect your armed.(Heck some of these people do not even like the idea that uniformed cops are armed)

What I carry and how I carry, my criteria is no one should even suspect I'm armed unless I go though a magnetometer or a pat down.

[scooter123]

After working at it all summer and losing over 40 lbs. I could probably use this Urban Carry holster. However, as McE pointed out, drawing while sitting would really be a problem. Because one of the primary reasons I carry is due to Carjackings in the Metro Detroit area any holster I use must provide ready access to my firearm while I'm sitting in my car and belted in. My choice for a holster is a Galco Skyops positioned at 4 o'clock, so when it appears I'm reaching for the seat belt release I can actually be drawing my P239. It also features the most minimally visible belt attachments that can be achieved, so when I'm Tucked In only someone very familiar with Galco's Y Hook holster hanger would be able to spot it.

I'll also note that in most parts of this nation Concealed means the firearm isn't readily apparent to the average Citizen. Fortunately Michigan allows Open Carry to all the older rules about concealment no longer apply. I just do my best to keep mine concealed because I believe it provides a tactical advantage.

[Florida J Frame]

From the 2015 Florida statutes:
(3)(a) “Concealed weapon” means any dirk, metallic knuckles, slungshot, billie, tear gas gun, chemical weapon or device, or other deadly weapon carried on or about a person in such a manner as to conceal the weapon from the ordinary sight of another person.

[SMSgt]

Originally Posted by WuzzFuzz

Rowlette, this may help answer your question of, what if a portion is exposed for a moment, but this is old..2013, from Florida...

Note: This is Florida, not all states interpret the same. Also, this is not the exact case I was referring to in my posts above.

Legal Gun Carrier Arrested For Carrying Gun

WuzzFuzz

FYI
In the aforementioned example, not only was the case dismissed, so was the officer involved.

[Rowlette]

Originally Posted by WuzzFuzz

Rowlette, this may help answer your question of, what if a portion is exposed for a moment, but this is old..2013, from Florida...

Note: This is Florida, not all states interpret the same. Also, this is not the exact case I was referring to in my posts above.

Legal Gun Carrier Arrested For Carrying Gun


WuzzFuzz

Most PO are level headed and just ordinary people which they must do a job. I have been approached and question by a great PO when accidentally you could see the edge of the handle of my weapon after a pit stop, I did not tuck fully the shirt in properly. He came over and quietly stated my weapon was showing and ask if I had a permit in which I responded "Yes Sir", he kindly asked me in a civil tone I need to cover a little better which I did and I apologize. I thanked him and he said " Be Safe" as he walked away.

To avoid the issue as shown in the video the new Florida OC if it passes next year would keep that in check. I personally will not OC but it would have some benefits.

[WuzzFuzz]

To add to some of the differences of interpretations, and specific wording.... Look at post #20 of Randyp1234's quote of definition of concealed from Illinois, and look and how post #28 of Florida J Frame, of how Florida words their definition.

Not quite the same are they, from state to state....


WuzzFuzz