To combat cut or not to combat cut...that is the question.

guitarzNgunz · Mar 16, 2013

I've had my Crossbreed Supertuck Horsehide for my M&P 40c for a few months now and I really like it thus far. I'm just regretting not opting for the combat cut when I ordered it. I find it difficult to get a positive grip on the draw with the standard cut, have any of you encountered this problem? Did you just incorporate a different drawing technique into your training regiment? Or did you modify your Supertuck yourself? Or did you send it in to Crossbreed to have them apply a combat cut to it?

I'm thinking of doing my own combat cut, any suggestions warnings or tips? I'm just worried how the Horsehide will respond to cutting it whether or not the edges will fray, I'm just not sure if Crossbreed somehow seals the edges when performing the cut?

Thanks

macski222 · Mar 16, 2013

I encountered the same dilemma with my supertuck for my 9c. Grab a box cutter/blade and something to trace a nice arc with. Start of conservative, you can always take off more if need be. Start by tracing the outline of the butt of the gun on holster before you cut. After I cut, I just took some fine grit paper to edges to smooth them out. No need to send it back, DIY combat cut is as custom as you want it

Check out some of my older posts, I posted some pics of my combat cut a while back in a holster topic thread

shawn mccarver · Mar 16, 2013

guitarzNgunz said:
I've had my Crossbreed Supertuck Horsehide for my M&P 40c for a few months now and I really like it thus far. I'm just regretting not opting for the combat cut when I ordered it. I find it difficult to get a positive grip on the draw with the standard cut, have any of you encountered this problem? Did you just incorporate a different drawing technique into your training regiment? Or did you modify your Supertuck yourself? Or did you send it in to Crossbreed to have them apply a combat cut to it?

I'm thinking of doing my own combat cut, any suggestions warnings or tips? I'm just worried how the Horsehide will respond to cutting it whether or not the edges will fray, I'm just not sure if Crossbreed somehow seals the edges when performing the cut?

Thanks

In my opinion, anything that interferes with a proper grip is not a proper holster, so I am glad you have come to the right conclusion.

This whole genre of holsters, with a piece of leather the size of one of those 64 ounce steaks you get free if you don't die before you finish eating and enough rivets to fasten the steel plates to the Titanic are an unfortunate outcrop of the need to carry a concealed arm without a jacket.

Unfortunately, with those useless belt clips, everyone knows what you have. Better to get a different style of holster that goes under the shirt without the need to have the exposed clips, which don't resemble anything but the standard old pouch type clip-on holster sold for decades.

Most of the people I know who wear them do not tuck in the shirt, instead preferring to wear it as an ordinary IWB holster.

Take a pair of leather shearing scissors and get rid of all that excess leather, horsehide or whatever it is. Better yet, get another style of holster.

Just my thoughts, but if a holster needs that many clips, rivets, gadgets and hardware, it is not well thought out.

Check with Paul Giannaula over at PJ Holsters for an IWB that is easily removable and made of thin kydex without the unnecessary hardware store attached.

MichiganScott · Mar 17, 2013

shawn mccarver said:
Most of the people I know who wear them do not tuck in the shirt, instead preferring to wear it as an ordinary IWB holster.

They are extremely comfortable when worn that way. The clips do not matter if they are covered with a shirt.

I suspect most users never spend time at the range trying to draw from a tucked holster. I've found it next to impossible to access the gun in a timely fashion.

guitarzNgunz · Mar 17, 2013

I decided to go ahead and attempt the combat cut, so here it is. I'll be the first to admit it ain't pretty but the functionality has improved tenfold.

Pre Combat Cut...

Post Combat Cut...

bellarum · Mar 17, 2013

With an empty magazine in your unloaded pistol, holster your pistol with your holster in your hands. Push on the leather at the point where the leather covers the magazine release. Your magazine will pop. I cut all of my holsters so the leather clears the magazine release.

Blindsquirrel · Mar 17, 2013

I made almost the same cuts to mine. Only the slide is covered now on mine. Used a small rough file to soften/round the edges after the cut.

Same situation, same solution almost 1 year apart. Holster is worn every weekend and no problems with it.

guitarzNgunz · Mar 18, 2013

Blindsquirrel said:
I made almost the same cuts to mine. Only the slide is covered now on mine. Used a small rough file to soften/round the edges after the cut.

Same situation, same solution almost 1 year apart. Holster is worn every weekend and no problems with it.

So did you end up cutting more off then? Why did you choose to do that? Were you encountering problems with the mag release engaging while wearing the holster?

Smitty357 · Mar 18, 2013

The better the grip, the better the shooter and the weapon will perform IMO.

This is my EDC holster for my Shield .40. Granted this isnt a CB so please dont bash me, lol. I had to fab this one up a bit to accommodate for the shield as this one is actually made for compact 40/9 and at the time they didnt make much for the shield. In the end it works great and I couldnt have asked for much more for the price.

guitarzNgunz · Mar 23, 2013

Smitty357 said:
The better the grip, the better the shooter and the weapon will perform IMO.

This is my EDC holster for my Shield .40. Granted this isnt a CB so please dont bash me, lol. I had to fab this one up a bit to accommodate for the shield as this one is actually made for compact 40/9 and at the time they didnt make much for the shield. In the end it works great and I couldnt have asked for much more for the price.

Looks good, what did you have to modify?

Smitty357 · Mar 23, 2013

guitarzNgunz said:
Looks good, what did you have to modify?

The inner part of the kydex that slides over the slide. It was a little bit too thick and wouldnt allow the weapon to seat properly far enough down inside the kydex. So i took a small file and filed it down to where it allowed just enough room for the weapon to clear.

That was the only thing that I had a problem with. Now i can turn it upside down and shake the dog **** out of it. The weapon still stays securely in place. It suits my needs and its comfortable enough that I wear it 12+hrs a day during the week and i almost forget its even there.

Blindsquirrel · Mar 23, 2013

guitarzNgunz said:
So did you end up cutting more off then? Why did you choose to do that? Were you encountering problems with the mag release engaging while wearing the holster?

Sorry for delayed reply, been AFK for a few days.
No mag release issues against holster on any of my M&P's. I have multiple crossbreeds and various M&P's and have never had an issue with IWB or OWB Crossbreeds. Simply cut it to allow a firmer grip on pistol when pulling it. Have large clunky fingers and hands. The space between the holster and firearm was to tight for me to quickly pull it comfortably. Many will tell you tight is good on carry. It is for me also, but was just a bit to tight for me.
Have N8 squared holsters also and have same issue with them. Basically anything with a sweat guard.

It looks like I just cut a little more out for my thumb than the other photo.

Poodle Soup · Mar 23, 2013

I would email crossbreed and ask if they treat the edges with something. They seem like decent people and would probably walk you through any modifications you wanted to make.

Tbags · Mar 24, 2013

A lot of leather edges are burnished with a wooden dowel that has a soft channel cut in it, chucked in a fixed drill.

zotzer · Mar 25, 2013

I don't know why they even make them *without* the combat cut, frankly. The N82 platform is big enough that you can use the material as a guide and slide your thumb down in it. These others, that little bit of extra leather just gets in the way.

Tracy

Soldiernurse · Mar 26, 2013

Since my 9C has the ambi thumb safety I definitely prefer the combat cut. I rest my thumb (shoot one-handed) over the safety, which makes for a very high, comfortable grip. With the combat cut (btw, hate that phrase) I can draw w/thumb over the safety.

To combat cut or not to combat cut...that is the question.

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