Has any "torture" tests been done on an M&P like the Glocks have?

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As above. Have any S&W M&P semi-autos been given torture tests like the Glocks have? I always read where Glocks are the gun to have...does the same go for the M&P? I am going to buy a M&P .40 s&w compact anyway, but I was wondering if the M&P's are as "good" as the Glocks??
 
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I don't recall an gun 'zine published features.

But with their adoption by by buncha LE agencies shortly after introduction I would strongly suspect :

1. That there are dedicated "range guns" out there with huge round counts in short time period.

2. If there were any recurent problems , it would be well know thru the LE grapevine , and the general gun guy grapevine about 10sec later.
 
While it's fun to watch those vids, I try to be honest about what I expect out of my firearms. I'm no Operator and have no immediate plans for crawling on the sands of Fallujah, trek through muddy jungle of Vietnam, or walking the beat in -20F. The worst contamination any of my pistols will see is lint from my cotton clothing.

Any "torture" severe enough to try my firearms will undoubtedly knock me, the carrier, out of commission first.

Okay... it's Friday and time to go sweat it out at the gym... with my pistol safely in the gym bag. Heaven forbid salty sweat should ever come near my M&P.:eek:
 
As to the original question, apart from the extended shooting test a pistol-training.com, I am not aware of "torture" testing on the M&P to the same extent as the Glocks when first introduced.

Is it possible that the torture testing of the Glock was necessary to convince buyers of the advantages of polymer, but now that polymer is well accepted, such extremes are no longer necessary?

I mean, is it likely that you will freeze your M&P in a block of ice before firing it? Or, that you will drop it from a helicopter?

Personally, I think the best tests of the Glock were the extended shooting tests documented by Chuck Taylor, in which the G22 in .40 S&W was tested out to 75,000 or more rounds and the G17 in 9mm was tested out to twice that amount.

The 9 mm Glock 17 is still the gold standard of parts interchangeability, smallest number of parts, reliability, durable finish, etc. New pistols that do not equal or exceed the performance of the Glock in all of those critical categories are "also rans" unless they bring something else to the table.
 
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I have a couple of 1911's and don't plan on ever getting rid of them. I will probably get a S&W M&P .40 and was looking at reviews and range reports and was just wondering if the M&P underwent the same torture tests as Glock. Until I saw the links posted by Saudade I never saw any torture tests. I'm just hoping the pistol can withstand sitting in my safe most of the time :)
 
The testing by Todd Green is likely to be very well done and documented. Hilton Yam put a couple of M&P 45s through a 5K or so round test, which he wrote up on 10-8forums (now closed, sadly). He may have the same information available on modernserviceweapons.com.
 
Shawn's post nailed it.

When Glock was trying to break into the LE market there was tremendous resistance to trading in the tried & true revolver. After all, if you're in your right mind why would you stake your life on a cheesy-feeling, clunky-looking, horribly ugly auto from Austria??!!?

Glock had to do something really dramatic to get positive attention to their pistol. Cops are notoriously resistant to change unless you prove the product is better than your currently used item. And I was one of them.

I still vividly recall the big gun magazine splashes of Glock torture tests and admit they did start making me look, even though I wasn't going to spend a penny of my own money on one.

In the real world there's really no need for a 20k torture test.
 
It's very comforting to hear an M&P kicks 60k rds and keeps on ticking, but I can't help to think... at the best price I can find, roughly$10/50rd, 60k rds = $12,000. That 20X the price of an M&P CORE. Even if somehow I am able to reduce the ammo cost substantially, it is still likely to be many multiples of the gun's cost. If I am that concerned about firearm life expectancy, wouldn't paying a 10th of the cost of ammo toward gun replacement make more sense?

Torture test are great marketing tools, but is it really relevant for those of us who just CC and range practice?

FWIW, if torture test really is that indicative of firearm worthiness, then Tokarev and Makarov should be in the top 10 list of most used and abused handguns. Somehow, I get the feeling that argument is not very convincing.
 
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Torture test are great marketing tools, but is it really relevant for those of us who just CC and range practice?

FWIW, if torture test really is that indicative of firearm worthiness, then Tokarev and Makarov should be in the top 10 list of most used and abused handguns. Somehow, I get the feeling that argument is not very convincing.
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Well, we could try a Hi-Point. That would be interesting. ;)

Seriously though, I see what you are saying, but I do find it encouraging that an M&P will go 62,000 rounds plus.

Anything I give it will likely pale by comparison.
 
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It's very comforting to hear an M&P kicks 60k rds and keeps on ticking, but I can't help to think... at the best price I can find, roughly$10/50rd, 60k rds = $12,000. That 20X the price of an M&P CORE. Even if somehow I am able to reduce the ammo cost substantially, it is still likely to be many multiples of the gun's cost. If I am that concerned about firearm life expectancy, wouldn't paying a 10th of the cost of ammo toward gun replacement make more sense?

Torture test are great marketing tools, but is it really relevant for those of us who just CC and range practice?
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Like I said, I'm not doing any kind of test, I just like to shoot. Even with the number of rounds through it, my pistol shoots as good as new (better actually, everything is smoother). If it didn't, I'd buy another. I don't even keep an accurate round count, I know how many I shoot a week(approximately), and I know when I bought it. I was just answering someones concern about reliability. Golf is a whole lot more expensive and I don't do that so I figure I'm money ahead. ;) BTW, ammo only costs me about half the amount you figured, that's less than a lot of things I can think of that last a whole lot less time than a years shooting. (ocean cruises, motor home trips, European holiday)
 
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Like it or not, trying or not, Bkreutz, you are our resident "torture" tester.

For those that don't realize it, the amount he shoots his gun is far over what any normal person will do. Further, the shooting he does is far more realistic toward how a regular person will shoot. It's not the crazy dragging behind a truck or dropping out of an airplane or freezing/heating artificially then shooting. No, his is simple, straight forward use. He shoots his gun a lot. Cleans it a little less than many, but considering the volume, I'd probably maintain mine the same if I shot that much.

Yes, Bkreutz's shooting is a monument to how good an M&P can be.
 
Bkreutz, I was in no way criticizing your 60k+ rds. I think it's great testament to how well the M&Ps are engineered and built. We all have our "vices", some worse than others. You should see how much of my kid's inheritance I squander on 2 wheels. ;) All I was trying to say was that to get to that many rds in order to constitute a "torture test", the cost of both the ammo and the firearm should be kept in perspective.
 
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