armallard
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Is there any advantage for getting one for my shield? Thanks.
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Rpg
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I can't think of a benefit, except to the manufacturer of the stainless steel part.
There was a recent discussion here dealing with a member who installed a stainless guide rod. After some shooting his slide stuck open.
Seemed to be the concencus that the guide rood had battered some molded plastic tabs on the frame.
Sometimes a manufacturer has a reason for the parts they use and the material they're made of.
There was a recent discussion here dealing with a member who installed a stainless guide rod. After some shooting his slide stuck open.
Seemed to be the concencus that the guide rood had battered some molded plastic tabs on the frame.
Sometimes a manufacturer has a reason for the parts they use and the material they're made of.
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Picked up one of the SSGuiderods for one of my Shields. Works good and a little easier to retract the slide completely. I use this gun/guide rod set up for my girlfriends gun. She has trouble fully retracting the slide with the stock setup and doesn't mind the slightly greater recoil with the single spring.
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Bonephish
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Yeah, their reason is to save money by using a plastic guide rod. If available, I will routinely substitute a stainless guide rod in every pistol I own.
NCW Ray
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You must have a rare Shield, mine came with a metal guide rod...or maybe I have the rare one that didn't come with a plastic one...hmm!
MassiveOverkill
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I think some grew up when manufacturers didn't have marketing or finance departments or when the US didn't have much in the way of foreign competition. Nothing is perfect and only $$$ prevents products from being that way. Why doesn't S&W debur the bore the the firing safety pin rides in to prevent the gritty trigger pull many notice? Seems like if I were an engineer I would have told manufacturing that it needs to be deburred. How about an improved firing safety pin itself or hey how about improving the seer?
I'm betting some marketing guy in cahoots with the budget committee had some say in it and over-rode the engineer's wishes. I'm betting the marketing guy had a more-brilliant idea and said: "Hey, why don't we release an improved version and label it 'Performance Center' and charge 50 more bucks for it, I'm sure people will buy it"
I'm betting some marketing guy in cahoots with the budget committee had some say in it and over-rode the engineer's wishes. I'm betting the marketing guy had a more-brilliant idea and said: "Hey, why don't we release an improved version and label it 'Performance Center' and charge 50 more bucks for it, I'm sure people will buy it"
Rpg
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What's the benefit?
MassiveOverkill
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My Glock 17, 9mm comes with a plastic one and I'm betting that's what Bonephish was referring to. I'm betting a plastic guide rod is a hell of a lot cheaper than a metal one. Why does Glock use a plastic guide rod and S&Ws come with metal (albeit cheap metal)?
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MassiveOverkill
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Speaking of the Glock and Shield: My Glock uses a single recoil spring and the Shield uses two. Clearly someone must be wrong. On the Shield, the .40 cal and the 9mm both use the same exact recoil assembly. You're telling me that a .40 cal and 9mm bullet exert the same recoil pressure when fired?!?!
MassiveOverkill
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Read the reviews of those who've actually installed and used it:
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martybee
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Why spend $40.00 plus shipping to buy something you already have? I don't see any advantage in the SS RSA with the single spring?
Some people can't leave well enough alone!
"...if it ain't broke......"
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MassiveOverkill
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And sometimes you just can't teach an old dog new tricks. Why use autoloaders? Stick to a J-frame. Why use bullets? Ball and powder worked fine and we even won our independence because of it. That's proven technology right there.
And what if it is broken?
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/305669-shield-recoil-spring-fell-apart.html
What if it's broken multiple times on the same owner? I'm sure some will say it's 100% user error.
What do you say to those who've actually had their RSA fail\come apart? Some of you preach how not to mess with anything because your life depends on it. What if someone had their RSA break and they've done absolutely no mods........who cares if it's covered under warranty.......if it breaks when you need it to function most what good is it?
Are you paying the $40? Is it coming out of your pocket? Is some S&W employee going to lose his job because of it? Is some S&W deity going to be offended that the Shield has been modified and strike you down? I'll agree that it's probably only worth $5 in materials but the company who sells them is probably employing a few people that would otherwise be collecting food stamps on yours and my $$.
I wonder how many still think synthetic motor oil is snake oil despite that many new cars have it as a factory fill.
I'll bring up another controversial subject: Dry teflon lube. I notice that Remington and S&W now make\brand as their own such a product. Snake Oil? The military is starting to use it now.
I love how guys are experts on things they've never tried/used. If you have actually tried the SS RSA and can speak from DIRECT EXPERIENCE that it's ****, that's one thing.
Do you feel the same about Talon grips? Personally I love how my Shield fits and the grip seems fine to me but I'm not going to poo poo on those who feel the need to use them.
I want to add: I love my Shield.........I absolutely friggin love it and would not hesitate to recommend it to anyone.
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martybee
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I love mine also. Over 2,000 rds. so far... and stock as it came from the manufacturer. No problems or issues. Racking to lock back slide is a little difficult but quite manageable.
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As an engineer, I take offense to this statement! It's not the engineers that try to save a few pennies here or there, it is the CEO and all the accountants! I don't know a single engineer that will design something "cheaply"!
martybee
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I agree with you 100%!
If a newly designed product comes out and then is proven defective, the design will undergo changes needed. The problem with many short sighted thinkers is they think they know more than the design engineers! They all want to build a better mouse trap but they don't have the ability, so they start changing the product's design. Cut a little piece off here... bend this part a little, add a spring or clamp, (Duct Tape also works wonders for them), now they have something they think is an improvement and that they can say is their designed product improvement and they can be proud of re-engineering it!
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MassiveOverkill
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Marty, seeing as you have difficulty racking the slide, looks like the SS guide rod is right up your alley. My wife (95 lbs wet) had difficulty racking the slide (even using proper technique) and she can confidently rack it now with the SS guide rod installed (I hadn't even lubed it yet, simply swapped my stock, broken-in RSA for the SS guide rod). I'll report back on recoil\muzzle flip difference once I get back from the range.
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I can only comment on my Shield 9mm experience when replacing the stock two stage recoil spring vs. SS single stage spring as noted. For my particular loads (115 gr JHPs), there was a noticeable improvement in accuracy. Noticeable being about a 30% reduction in overall group size. Testing was done at 25 yards.
Granted everyone will be on a case by case basis, but I noticed just the opposite a couple years ago when trying a Sprinco two stage recoil reduction spring in my M&P 45. In this case, a load that was every accurate with the stock spring went to pot with the Sprinco.
Granted everyone will be on a case by case basis, but I noticed just the opposite a couple years ago when trying a Sprinco two stage recoil reduction spring in my M&P 45. In this case, a load that was every accurate with the stock spring went to pot with the Sprinco.
Interesting. I didn't notice any real change in group size or point of impact between the two recoil spring assembles. I shoot 124 & 147 grain standard pressure loads. I was not benching though, all shooting was off hand.
I'm no longer using the SS assembly but I'm curious now and will run the two the next time I do some bench shooting.
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