Apex Trigger- no audible or tactile reset

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Hi all,

I have recently purchased a used M&P pro series in 9mm. It came with an apex trigger installed. This is my 3rd M&P and i am used to the reset of the factory triggers. Back to the pro series that i have just bought... it has a really nice break but the reset is really hard to tell, i.e can’t feel it or hear it (have to go right back past the wall and back onto it to find the breaking point for the next shot) is this typical for an apex kit? Is there anything i can do to enhance the reset feeling? Thanks!
 

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Apex Customer Service is the best. Call them Monday. They may ask you to email photos of your installed fire control parts.

Many folks install their Apex triggers themselves. The mechanics of doing so are not very challenging, but sometimes either finite adjustments or putting the wrong Apex parts together can leave you with an undesirable trigger. The person sells the gun.

Happened to me with a 1.0 I bought over the ‘net. Numerous conversations with Apex still left me with intermittent light strikes. Finally, I sent the gun back for an Apex gunsmith fit barrel. They installed the barrel and tuned the trigger. It has been suweet for almost three years now.
 
Groo here
Never could figure why people wanted to hear the reset.
If you can hear it , you shoot to slow, if you are shooting targets
you have the time for a full release and press...
If you hear it with your ear plugs on [etc ] it is real loud.
Feeling the reset I understand BUT only for gamers.
Catching the reset, can cause fail to fire if you miss.
A full stroke is still best [like we learned in revolvers]
 
Groo01 said:
Groo here
Never could figure why people wanted to hear the reset.
If you can hear it , you shoot to slow, if you are shooting targets
you have the time for a full release and press...
If you hear it with your ear plugs on [etc ] it is real loud.
Feeling the reset I understand BUT only for gamers.
Catching the reset, can cause fail to fire if you miss.
A full stroke is still best [like we learned in revolvers]
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Good for you having your own opinion that runs counter to most defensive shooting training and modern pistol setups.
 
Groo01 said:
Groo here
Never could figure why people wanted to hear the reset.
If you can hear it , you shoot to slow, ]
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Fair point, its not that i care about hearing it, Just making the observation that i cant. I guess hearing it may help when learning where it is i guess... much more interested in feeling it and having a similair feel in all 3 pistols to not screw with my muscle memory
 
Audible reset?

You're trading hot lead with some gangsta so close you can smell him, rounds popping off at 130 dB, and you're worried about hearing your trigger reset?
 
A reset that you can feel (tactile) is a mechanical resetting of trigger components. If you can feel it, you likely can hear it when dry firing/practicing trigger manipulations. It is a little training aid that can be helpful. That’s all. No one means to make a big deal out of it, but semi-autos of all types can have both tactile and audible trigger resets.

A reset is most audible when trapping the trigger (holding it for a long follow through) and releasing it when conditions are quiet enough. Working a trigger only to reset and not beyond is generally faster for shooting and can disturb the sight picture less than a full finger release. It’s good technique on a semi-auto. Of the dozen or so semi-auto pistols I own and dozens of others I have shot I cannot remember even one not having a tactile (and therefore audible) reset.

No one needs to hear a trigger reset in actual loud and fast combat, and I don’t think anyone is saying it is necessary under such a condition.
 
Groo01 said:
Groo here
Never could figure why people wanted to hear the reset.
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Univibe said:
Audible reset?

You're trading hot lead with some gangsta so close you can smell him, rounds popping off at 130 dB, and you're worried about hearing your trigger reset?
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I can appreciate why both of you might say this, but there's more to the story. Using the reset is a valuable training tool.

If you practice with the reset, you'll develop muscle memory. Knowing how far the trigger needs to go to reset will help improve your accuracy, especially when shooting quickly; it's about trigger control.

See, most people just let their trigger finger come flying off the trigger after the shot. In order to take a second shot, that finger must travel back to the trigger. This usually results in slapping at the trigger, which in turn causes the sights to mis-align, which leads to a miss. Missing is bad, especially when your life is on the line.

So, during practice at the range, we use the reset. This teaches just how far we need to release the trigger to ensure it's set and ready for the next shot. By only letting the trigger out enough, maybe just a tad beyond that, the trigger finger doesn't fly off. Because it didn't fly off, we have better trigger control. This reduces the chances of slapping at the trigger, which in turn generally leads to a better followup shot.

Nobody hears or feels the trigger reset while performing a controlled pair under pressure. But, because they spent time learning their gun and where the reset is, the second shot is more likely to find the intended target because they have better trigger control.


Paddaddy,
I have an M&P with the Apex FSS kit. Mine too has a very light reset. However, through lots of dry practice, I've learned where the reset is. Because you have more than one M&P, you can use your muscle memory from the other guns to operate the new one. It's a good exercise to see if your training and practice with the other guns has taught you what you want.

I think you'll find that you can shoot the gun without any trouble as it is now and without any modifications to make the reset more tactile or audible.
 
Reset

You can buy a Gen 3 slide stop and you will get a tactile audible reset. It has a small pad (bump) on the inside of it.

You can get them on E-Bay but there about $30 and you will have to know the process to change it.

Its common on a Gen.1 M&P to not have any feel of reset.
 
What other M&Ps do you have?

The reset is pretty weak on the 1.0s. As lacerda023 says above, I replaced the slide stops in my FS and Compact 1.0s with the updated version.

In your version, the APEX RAM would do it nicely.
 
lacerda023 said:
You can buy a Gen 3 slide stop and you will get a tactile audible reset. It has a small pad (bump) on the inside of it.

You can get them on E-Bay but there about $30 and you will have to know the process to change it.

Its common on a Gen.1 M&P to not have any feel of reset.
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Got a link? My M&P 45C 1.0 has an Apex Duty carry trigger in it with no audible/tactile reset. Contacted Apex and they told me to install a later model slide stop.
 
Arndog123 said:
Got a link? My M&P 45C 1.0 has an Apex Duty carry trigger in it with no audible/tactile reset. Contacted Apex and they told me to install a later model slide stop.
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Try Midwest Gun Works

Not sure if the 9, .40, 45acp are the same. You may wish to contact them before you order. If you're a 1st responder, current miltary or a veteran, they offer a 10% discount.
 
Paddaddy said:
Hi all,

I have recently purchased a used M&P pro series in 9mm. It came with an apex trigger installed. This is my 3rd M&P and i am used to the reset of the factory triggers. Back to the pro series that i have just bought... it has a really nice break but the reset is really hard to tell, i.e can’t feel it or hear it (have to go right back past the wall and back onto it to find the breaking point for the next shot) is this typical for an apex kit? Is there anything i can do to enhance the reset feeling? Thanks!
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I'm having the exact same issue with my M&P 45c. It's the first M&P I've ever had that came with literally NO audible or tactile reset from the factory. Sound isn't an issue for me, but I like to feel the reset. All my other M&Ps have very nice resets that I can feel just fine. Anyway, so I put an Apex Duty Trigger on the 45c and still nothing. I really thought the Apex would solve this problem...
 
Reset

The 9, 40, and 45 full and compact are all the same for the slide stop.

The Apex RAM will work MOST of the time but not always, it depends on what sear housing you have. The RAM works in a different way causing friction on the rear stem of the trigger bar past the loop and usually causes a stronger pull due to the contact point. The Gen. 3 slide stop places friction on the side of the trigger bar causing the click your looking for and does not create as much friction.Ive tried them both and i'll stick with the Gen.3 slide stop.. YMMV
 
The OP has a 5" non CORE Proseries. You can clearly see the plug for the the lock in the picture he posted.

ARNDOG123 posted the link to the RAM which has a vid on compatibility.

Here's the direct link

RAM Model Compatibility Explanation
 
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I have a Pro 9 in which I installed an Apex forward set sear and trigger kit, and since that installation it has a very audible and tactile reset. Just sayin’...
 
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I recall seeing slo-mo of a top competitive shooter "slapping" the trigger rather than riding the reset. Didn't seem to affect his scores.

The semi-auto reset fixation has all but killed off the true DAO semi-auto pistol. Give somebody something like a Sig P250 to shoot and the whining will likely start before they get through a complete magazine "I can't find the reset!"

You can tell 'em "Treat it like a revolver" all you want, and most won't get it. If it doesn't have a cylinder, they expect a reset. You'll hear bovine excrement like "DAO semis are wrong" and the like. Rolling my eyes.
 
Groo here
I have for a long time , shot revolvers ..
A lesser time , glock..
I have ALWAYS allowed the trigger push the finger out , allowing the gun to reset as it wishes...
For fastest shooting,,just don't let the finger loose contact with the trigger.
Must work . Michalak uses it and Cunningham teaches it....
 
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