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So how good are the drop in apex triggers for the 2.0? Do they give more accuracy than the standard trigger. Are they worthwhile investment over the standard trigger.
Any users here with recommendations?
 
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Every M&P I've had has had an Apex trigger added to it, whether it be 1.0 or 2.0, and that includes the latest 2.0 with the flat faced trigger. But perhaps that's just me.
 
I installed the flat forward set trigger in my CORE Pro. As near as I can measure, it breaks at a crisp 4lbs with the duty springs, although it feels lighter with the flat trigger. I plan on installing another in my M&P.45. I wish they made the same trigger shoe for the Shields.

As to accuracy, to be honest I don't really see much difference in accuracy, but a far better feel to the trigger.
 
I put one in my Shield 1.0 that I just sold. I also put one in my M&P 2.0 Compact. That is the forward set flat trigger kit. They are IMHO a huge improvement over stock. My Shield 1.0 had a better trigger than any of the later iterations of the Shield. The only one I have not shot is the performance Center trigger so I can't speak to that one. I have put aftermarket flat faced triggers in every one of my striker fired guns except my Canik Mete mc9 because it is just so good right out of the box.
In most cases, it takes out pre-travel, over-travel and improves the reset.
 
It's an unnecessary crutch that's not needed for EDC self-defense pistols. Most people either feel it's needed because of one or a combination of the following:

  1. Lack of skill level that they are blaming on the M&P trigger.
  2. They've been influenced by marketing.
  3. They just like tinkering, customizing, and being different.
  4. They are competitive or target shooters.

I've seen gun owners take stock M&P, Glock, and other strike-fired handguns out the box, and shoot impressively well. I saw others shoot DAO handguns impressively well. If you require a competition like trigger on a carry gun to do what others can do with stock strikers or heavy and long DAO triggers, I'd suggest you invest that $100+ in training and more ammo instead of an aftermarket trigger.

To answer the OP's question, I have installed APEX triggers on my Shield 45 and M&P 2.0 Compact. I've owned several other M&Ps that were stock except maybe for the sights. No, I haven't noticed a difference in accuracy. The M&P trigger and handgun are plenty accurate out of the box for most task handguns tasked with. If it's not, 99.99% of the time, it's because of the shooter. I personally just like having/replacing polymer parts with metal parts. I also like the look. It's not a requirement or needed though IMHO.
 
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The Viking said:
So how good are the drop in apex triggers for the 2.0? Do they give more accuracy than the standard trigger. Are they worthwhile investment over the standard trigger.
Any users here with recommendations?
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Do apex triggers give more accuracy ? Accuracy has more to do with YOU and your general shooting skills not a trigger . You can do a little stoning on the connector where it contacts the striker bvlock and sear to lighten your trigger pull But the apex trigger FST kit can gave you a short reset more like a 1911 from reset . I am one person that prefers the Apex Curved trigger over the straight and thats an option too . Now trigger pull willgive you a crisper break and depending on the kit you buy and springs use can give you a pull weight in to the lower 3lb range . I have a 2.0 compact 4" thats 3lb 10oz when first added but has settled a couple ounces lower . I have a long history carrying 1911's with a 3.5lb trigger pull with a slight amount of take up typical ultra short lite pull to break and slight amount of over travel for CC . So my m&p's I carry come very close to the same feel and break weight from reset . But all our apex kit upgraded pistols have thumb safetys . Is a trigger kit up grade needed ? Might depend on your skills like how do you pull a trigger now for defensive needs or target shooting .

Because I practice for concealed carry with both a SA trigger and a striker fired or double action trigger like in a revolver or some pistols I use a trigger sweeping style . Its not uncontrolled slapping the trigger ! Its the same way shotgunner pull a trigger when hunting birds or shooting clays .

Several of our m&p's have adjustable trigger stops . I back those off and train to not pull to the stop only pull enough to fire . Pulling your trigger till it not longer moves can cause you to shoot low .

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I have an M&P Shield 9mm PC 2.0

The only modification I have made was to intall an Apex trigger. I wanted the extra safety of the middle blade. The action is much better, too. I'm very happy with it.
 
As Well Armed stated above, they are not needed on a carry gun but they do IMHO make a difference that I prefer over stock. I carried and shot 1911's for probably 25+ years in LE and am somewhat of a trigger snob. As I stated above, I have put flat faced triggers in all of my striker fired guns but one because I like a better trigger. I can shoot any kind of trigger and do fine with them out of the box. As for accuracy, that depends on you as a shooter. I don't need them but i like them!
 
If you go to the "Other Firearms" forum you will find my range reports on five pistols I recently took to the range. The triggers on these guns all feel different, being four striker actions and one hammer gun. Looking at my seven yard groups I think that sights and sight radius (with the commensurate variations in barrel length) have at least as big an influence as the trigger on my accuracy. None of the groups are particularly stellar (I hadn't shot since last March) but neither are they in the "Oops, missed the paper" class.

How you deal with a particular trigger is down to your adaptability and willingness to accept how the machine works. Sure, nice triggers are great, but they won't fix fundamental flaws in your shooting, like wandering concentration which seems to be my favorite.:)
 
I cannot speak for the Apex triggers, but I found that installing one of their machined sears made a huge difference. Lightened the pull, shortened the reset distance, and removed the sponginess of the factory trigger. Easy to install and well worth the price if you're hoping to close up your target groups.
 
I lost much of my smooth trigger finger movement and the full extension of my index and middle finger fingers and finally ended up "trigger finger " issues and had to have surgery to regain the fluid smoothness I once had once had . My fingers now work fluidly but strength is less . But I needed a lighter smoother trigger than most DA or even strikers fired pistols come with so Apex fst kits improved m&p trigger pulls and makes them more like my 1911 I carry. Do I care if its not stock in the eyes of the court system If I ever need to use my M&P for defense . Nope not at all .
 
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I cannot speak for the Apex triggers, but I found that installing one of their machined sears made a huge difference. Lightened the pull, shortened the reset distance, and removed the sponginess of the factory trigger. Easy to install and well worth the price if you're hoping to close up your target groups.
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Same here. You don't need the entire Trigger package, unless you don't like the Factory trigger itself. The only mod I've made to my Gen1 Shield is the hard sear. $35-$40, compared to $150+ for the entire kit.
 
M&P Apex triggers are great!
Do they improve accuracy? No.

In my opinion/experience:
Apex triggers are much better than the old 1.0 triggers
Apex triggers are a better than the 1.0 PC triggers
Apex triggers are slightly better than the 2.0 triggers
Apex triggers are slightly better than the 2.0 PC triggers

When 1.0 was all we had, I put Apex triggers in them. Since the 2.0 came out, the slight improvement doesn't seem worth the cost to me.

That said, competition shooters may find the slight improvement worth it.

And those who just like tinkering will tinker no matter what. So, tinker away...

Note: When I say "Apex trigger", I mean the full trigger kit. As for what I call the trigger shoe, that's completely a matter of feel. I really like the new 2.0 trigger shoe but don't care for the old hinged trigger, though I still have it on several old 2.0s.
 
A full apex trigger & kit is better than stock old or new trigger feel and function PC models included or you have no idea what your really doing with the spring or the length of pull changes and reset. .
 
"Feel" of the trigger is subjective.

I found the Overwatch precision M&P 2.0 Improvement Kit along with a Morrigan Short Stroke Trigger for the M&P 10mm from Galloway precision works better in my M&P 10mm & 45 4.6"

In my personal experience the eliminated over travel and pre-travel are far better for my particular M&P's

Over-travel is far more important to reduce than pre-travel. It's what makes or breaks any aftermarket triggers. It's also more important then the pull weight of the trigger.

My 9mm 2.0 4.5" likes the Timney Alpha trigger better also.

The Apex kit did make the triggers “feel” better, and reduced pull weight, but that's not completely what I was looking for in a trigger.

That being said, mass produced striker fired pistols like these and Glocks can have tolerance stacking all over the map, and where one will have an apex trigger work great in it ,another one could have an overwatch precision trigger or other manufacturer's work better.

It could go either way, so I'm chalking it up to why the overwatch and Timney triggers worked better in mine.
 
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