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FOP reports the LEOSA reform bill passed the House now on the way to the Senate.
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mckenney99
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Any clues what the proposed changes are? Lots of areas to be clarified and made uniform. However I'm frequently disappointed when Congress tries to fix something.
Probably the finest pro law enforcement legislation in my lifetime. It has flaws but it is functional. Hopefully, any changes made serve to improve the law. I've qualified for LEOSA since 2011. In my experience, very successful.
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I've qualified under LEOSA every year since I retired in 2006. I try to get a qualification in every 6 months because of the 12 month/1 year rule and scheduling for qualifications inside the 12 month/1 year requirement sometimes is an issue when using my retirement agency for the qualifications. (One of the things I would like to see is to make the qualifications once a calendar year for more flexibility in scheduling.)
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Still nothing on risk management. No thanks.
What would you like to see in this bill?
I'd like to get TriCare, but I can't . . .Delete the qualification completely, there's no requirement for the general public, so why LEO's...!
An entity that would defend a retiree for lawsuits that arise if he/she took LE action in an emergency.
I now possess a state CCL and will never take action beyond defending my life or those of my immediate family from a an imminent, credible, deadly threat.
I now possess a state CCL and will never take action beyond defending my life or those of my immediate family from a an imminent, credible, deadly threat.
Agreed. That would be marvelous to have some indemnification for any intervention beyond the parameters you have established for yourself. Like you, I have no intention of involving myself in anything other than the situations you have stated. As I've mentioned in previous posts, the LEOSA permit allows me to avoid the increasingly difficult carry permit process being inflicted on all law abiding citizens of Kolorado.
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and, be very wary of allowing yourself to succumb to the guise of the "Good Samaritan Act", this is more like no good deed goes unpunished . . . .
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You and me are having he same thought on this!Delete the qualification completely, there's no requirement for the general public, so why LEO's...!
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It's good to have a plan, and may you never even have to use this plan.
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I'm in it, but I'm not a true believer in the LEOSA - Con Game. Just another way to spread the division amongst law abiding Americans. In it's most simplistic breakdown, this is Good vs Evil.... plain and simple! Law abiding Americans who own, possess, or carry any type of defense weapon should be encouraged to do so, placing All Evil on Official Notice!
This update also does away with magazine capacity nonsense. LEOSA carriers will be able to buy and possess any magazine regardless of state limits.
Regarding risk, LEOSA is designed to be a universal carry permit for those of us who fit the criteria of active/retired/former LEOs, not to allow anyone to use arrest powers everywhere. Except for active LE in your home jurisdiction/state you don't have any authority to get involved any situation beyond defending yourself or family.
Again with the exception of those of us still active in their home state/jurisdiction, any liability falls on you and always has. My recommendation is carry insurance, which is a good idea anyways.
Regarding risk, LEOSA is designed to be a universal carry permit for those of us who fit the criteria of active/retired/former LEOs, not to allow anyone to use arrest powers everywhere. Except for active LE in your home jurisdiction/state you don't have any authority to get involved any situation beyond defending yourself or family.
Again with the exception of those of us still active in their home state/jurisdiction, any liability falls on you and always has. My recommendation is carry insurance, which is a good idea anyways.
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the lectures I give for new handgun applicants deals primarily with what to expect if you're ever involved in a shooting, and things to think about and plan for in advance. Primarily, if you have to shoot, learn to hit your intended target with the first shot. You may not get a second, and you dang sure don't want to hit an innocent person. Fear, panic, adrenalin rush, anxiety, surroundings, location, situation, etc., etc., etc. The good folks have no real concept of what they are in store for..... ahhhh the funny and merry making of winding up in federal and/or civil courts for months or years.....
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I rarely carry anymore, I've always tried to give reasonable forethought to where I was going and if the need outweighed the situation. More times than not I always felt that by the time I realized the need or option to use I'd already be painted into the wrong corner. But, on long trips or out of my usual comfort zone my S&W 59 will be by my side.....
My situation is slightly different. I worked the Mexico/New Mexico border for half my career and am 'owed' by folks who never forget (they haven't so far). Otherwise I'd do as do you.I rarely carry anymore, I've always tried to give reasonable forethought to where I was going and if the need outweighed the situation. More times than not I always felt that by the time I realized the need or option to use I'd already be painted into the wrong corner. But, on long trips or out of my usual comfort zone my S&W 59 will be by my side.....
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which, "IMO", are an absolute joke. score about a 75% or Pass/Fail. Which equates to missing your intended target 25% +/-. Or, in the case of a 15 round mag 3 -4 rounds going who knows where. Please, don't even get me started on police shooting where folks are letting loose with 8, 10, 15 rounds at a time, and not stopping after 2 -3 to evaluate.
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Yep, I totally agree. While taking some Burglary Reports many years ago, the homeowners would often ask "Officer should I get a gun?" My advice was to first ask yourself, "Self, can I take the life of another human being?" If the answer was "Yes," then perhaps you might consider arming yourself, but if you are not prepared to use it for what it is intended for, then don't get one because the bad guy will take it from you, and you won't like what he will do with it.
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USCS, USBP, or State of New Mexico? Them there's the Front Lines!
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I worked the El Paso & Brownsville region and learned real fast what a no-win revolving door process that was. You usually had to arrest the same individual 3 times at least before the US Prosecutor would even consider prosecuting. Left that job before a year was up.... never missed it!
The last draft I saw allowed the states to extend the current 1 year qualification requirement to 3 years. Although, I don't know if that made it through the House's final version.
Neither - New Mexico State Police. When I first hit the border in '91 there were exactly 35 USBP agents in Deming, 23 in Lordsburg.
There were 2 ports of entry in my command area - Columbus and Antelope Wells. Eventually another was opened at Santa Teresa - now there are several hundred CBP and ICE folks along that same stretch of border (Monument 0 at El Paso/Sunland Park to Monument 72 at the NM/AZ border).
I used to ask that same question of people who asked about owning a gun. More than once, their eyes widened in shock. It was apparent that they'd never actually though about the hard part before.
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Going to have to reach out to the private insurance/ legal prepaid legal plans for that. There is one that covers retired feds for LEOSA-related but it is sort of pricy for tech among of thr coverage caps. There are several that offer no caps for defense, but some of those plans have baggage. Some states have laws prohibiting law suits arising from justified use of force, but those laws may still require representation to remind a civil judge of state law. And attorneys on contingency look for loopholes in everything.
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I was USCS, and back then when almost all of our assets were focused on the Southern Border, there was a "whole lot of shakin'" going on at our Northern Border with Canada, and our three borders with the seas; today, we are paying the price! Stay safe brother!Neither - New Mexico State Police. When I first hit the border in '91 there were exactly 35 USBP agents in Deming, 23 in Lordsburg.
There were 2 ports of entry in my command area - Columbus and Antelope Wells. Eventually another was opened at Santa Teresa - now there are several hundred CBP and ICE folks along that same stretch of border (Monument 0 at El Paso/Sunland Park to Monument 72 at the NM/AZ border).
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