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Today after firing my Bodyguard 2, then cleaning and reassembling it, I was unable to insert a full magazine (10) rounds. No problem inserting after one bullet was removed. This was the first time I have experienced this issue after times several firings, cleaning and reassemble. I know better than to try to apply excessive force to try to shove the magazine in. Thoughts and suggestions? Thank you.

Addendum: The above issue as described makes no sense to me. Why should the full magazine load at one time and not a short time later? I gave it much thought and then two things came to mind. Number one, with previous use of the magazines, they were likely not fully loaded. Number two, when at the range I load the magazines with the slide open, after the previous magazine is emptied. In that case, the gun will accept a fully loaded magazine. Now, that does not solve the issue of not being to insert a fully loaded magazine with the slide closed, but does explain my initial quandary, which was if there was a malfunction of the gun.

Not expecting much, I called the company about this issue, something I am sure they have had many previous calls regarding. Their response was what I expected, and others have expressed. Their explanation boiled down to the fact that there his limited space in a gun the size of a BG 2. That explanation begs the question, then why the design is the first place? Well, at least the gun was not advertised as a 10 plus 1, or 12 plus one capacity.
 
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drcotlar, were you ever able to insert a loaded, 10 round magazine, in your pistol?
I have encountered this issue with SOME BG2.0 magazines, while others will load against a closed slide.
All the magazines run just fine, if loaded from an open slide. I keep the ones that WILL load, with 10, as carry spares.
It is an issue Smith needs to address.
Moon
 
This issue is not uncommon with the new BG2.

I can get both 10 and 12 round mags loaded but I have to really push hard on the UPlula.

The only failure to feed I’ve experienced was with the 10-round mag loaded and popped it in with the slide closed. I slingshotted the slide and the round would not fully seat in the chamber. Since then, I load the mags with 1 round short. The amount of pressure it takes to pop in a fully loaded mag with the slide closed feels like a little too much pressure.
 
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Muss Muggins said:
Insert your magazine with purpose . . .
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Short of a BFH, hard to imagine inserting the mag with any more 'purpose' than I use. ;)
Seriously, there is an issue with the Smith mags when fully loaded. And downloading the mags somewhat negates the advantage of the 10 round capacity. I can carry 7 in the BG1.0.
Moon
 
I had an issue with a M&P 5.6 Performance Center 15 round 10mm magazines. I either load them down to 14 rounds or locking the slide back and the 15 rounders work. I have 6 magazines and only 1 has this issue
 
Yes, I was able to preciously load the full magazine into the gun. I realize that I can open the slide and load the magazine, but that necessitates chambering a round which I don’t want to have to do unless I am carrying.
 
Your points are well taken, and I can load the magazine if I remove one of the bullets. But as I said prior to today, I was able to load the full magazine.
 
The desire to cram as many rounds into a magazine while still making the magazine as small as possible created this issue. Same thing happens with my Shield Plus magazines. Any magazine that requires an Uplula to fully load means there’s virtually no space left in that magazine and when a magazine with no room left contacts the underside of the slide there is going to be resistance.
 
If you have this issue, lock the slide back and you will have less resistance from the magazine lock. Advance the slide by pulling back on it (not by pushing the slide stop lever, and you should have be good to go. Over time, it should work itself in.
 
ImDrRich said:
If you have this issue, lock the slide back and you will have less resistance from the magazine lock. Advance the slide by pulling back on it (not by pushing the slide stop lever, and you should have be good to go. Over time, it should work itself in.
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This maneuver won’t chamber a round?
 
drcotlar said:
This maneuver won’t chamber a round?
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It will chamber the round. If you wa t to carry with a full magazine inserted into a closed slide then either slap it in really hard with authority or down load it by one round.

I guess the world has changed. A family friend of ours had his son over and he just graduated from the trooper academy. I showed him my old 5 shot .38 640 and he remarked how crazy I was to only carry 5 shots back in the early 90’s in crime ridden NYC. I told him I rode the subway with only that gun and no reload and never felt unarmed. I generally carry my Shield Plus now but I load the full ten round magazine into the weapon with a slide locked opsn and then chamber the round. I do not top off the magazine. I figure 5 shots of .38 got me through my 20’s, so 10 shots of 9MM should take me the rest of the way.
 
It will go in. Put the magazine in the mag well and push it down on a table. It will go in very hard but not affect the reliability of the gun.
 
agksimon said:
It will go in. Put the magazine in the mag well and push it down on a table. It will go in very hard but not affect the reliability of the gun.
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I am sure you are right, though I am fine carrying 9 or 11 rounds until the gun has acclimated through use and time, to accept the fully loaded magazine. I would rather not use more than the force I have already tried, without success, to shove the magazines in.
 
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agksimon said:
It will go in. Put the magazine in the mag well and push it down on a table. It will go in very hard but not affect the reliability of the gun.
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With SOME of my magazines, this simply is not true. More, I carry a spare magazine, for a tactical reload, and I don't carry a table, too.
It is a tolerance stacking problem. I've two BG2.0s, one to carry, one to shoot, a lot. Also bought some extra magazines.
SOME magazines will hold 10 and lock in readily. OTHERS will not.
And NO amount of use makes any difference. It's not a matter of the spring 'breaking in'. Things are packed solid in the offending magazines.
All the magazines feed just fine, loaded from slide lock; been shooting the 2.0 in our 'snubby league'.
Moon
 
Without seeing it, I would venture to guess that it's the same problem that the M&P9 and Shield Plus has with their follower designs. The underside of the followers, where it touches the bottom of the magazine, are flat, which can cause part of the spring to get stuck between it and the bottom of the magazine, taking away any extra room to compress when the magazine is full.

I've had good luck disassembling the magazine and using a Dremel to carefully add a slight taper to the "feet" of the follower so that they come to a point where they touch the bottom of the magazine.
 
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I think the Remington R51 defines a tight magazine. With most pistols you can usually press the last round down by about half a cartridge. Not on that pistol, it barely moves. The fix is to shorten the legs on the followers, it fixes most of the ills of that gun.
 
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