SD9, the Glock killer

Has anyone ever typed in "glock malfunctions"into youtube search or "glock jams"?Lots of interesting videos out there.
 
james45 said:
Has anyone ever typed in "glock malfunctions"into youtube search or "glock jams"?Lots of interesting videos out there.
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Ever wonder why every time a glock malfunctions its on video? People pushing the haterade. I can force my glock to malfunction as well. Yet in 10 years of carrying them on duty I've never had a problem........weird lol

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I'm going to say this, spare parts are sort of everything to me. It sucks when a manufacturer looks down on you getting familiar with the way a weapon works down to it's internals and small parts.

The SD9 is nice but the way S&W handles the warranty bothers me. You can't even polish some internals without them having a fit. From what I have read Glock doesn't have issues with that. Plus I want to say spare parts are kind of everything to me imo. You shouldn't have to send the whole gun in if a sear or something cracks.

Is the Glock perfect? No it isn't. I seen a batch of G19 Gen 4's with screwed up/deformed sights. It was irritating but I was replacing them anyways. There have been brass to the face issues as well but these problems have been fixed.

But for the money spent on it you get a lot more going for you than the SD9. Spare parts are cheap and plentiful, trigger jobs are equally cheap. Also if something goes wrong you can easily replace it. I believe certain parts on the SD9 are much cruder in quality. The biggest issue is if something breaks you must turn it in and wait a week or two. The best thing about the glock is that you can have spare parts and keep on shooting after a quick maintenance. Not to mention there are no maintenance classes for the SD9 which leaves you SoL when ordering parts.

It's kind of the same reason I want to get an AR over say a Mini 14.

Don't get me wrong, the SD9 is a very nice and cost effective fire-arm. But I wouldn't going around believing it is the end all be all. If the SD9 was so good they wouldn't have bothered expanding on the M&P lol.

The best thing about the SD9 though is that it is dimensionally similar to the Glock 19. It's the one flaw S&W made with the M&P series height and dimensions.
 
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I have the SD9 and everytime i go to a lgs and ask someone behind the counter about the gun they say its a piece of ish or they wouldnt buy it. I would ask them why and their comeback is typically its newer version of the sigma with out even shooting the gun.

In fact i went with a buddy of mind this past saturday to purchase his first hand gun. I showed him the SD9 just for the sake of it and someone near us made comment to stay away from it. I ask him why and again he said it was a sigma clone.

People are just judging on this gun based on the fact that it looks like the Sigma and than judge it for that point.

I'll admit when i first got the gun i had some jams and stoves, but it was not the fault of the gun. It was me limp wristing it.

Oh and i'm not biased cuz i own this pistol. I use to have a Glock19 Gen4 and sold it cuz it shot so much like the SD9 that i sold it and got the Shield.
 
S&W45Colt said:
I own S&W's 8 to 1 over Glocks, but I'll give them their due.

You need to try Grip Forces Glock Grip Adapter, it's $25, is held on by the trigger pin and changes the grip angle to a 1911 grip angle, it makes a huge difference in shoot-ability.
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I had never heard of such a thing. I may need to check that out.
 
The only difference i can tell from the glock as far as function would be the trigger/striker and how they interact, other than that I see no difference. While I agree that the SD will never reach the same track record as a glock based on the fact they most likely will never be issued in large #'s to police departments.

I see no reason why they wouldnt be just as reliable as the glock. Just my opinion.
 
Capt_Destro said:
I'm going to say this, spare parts are sort of everything to me. It sucks when a manufacturer looks down on you getting familiar with the way a weapon works down to it's internals and small parts.

The SD9 is nice but the way S&W handles the warranty bothers me. You can't even polish some internals without them having a fit. From what I have read Glock doesn't have issues with that. Plus I want to say spare parts are kind of everything to me imo. You shouldn't have to send the whole gun in if a sear or something cracks.

Is the Glock perfect? No it isn't. I seen a batch of G19 Gen 4's with screwed up/deformed sights. It was irritating but I was replacing them anyways. There have been brass to the face issues as well but these problems have been fixed.

But for the money spent on it you get a lot more going for you than the SD9. Spare parts are cheap and plentiful, trigger jobs are equally cheap. Also if something goes wrong you can easily replace it. I believe certain parts on the SD9 are much cruder in quality. The biggest issue is if something breaks you must turn it in and wait a week or two. The best thing about the glock is that you can have spare parts and keep on shooting after a quick maintenance. Not to mention there are no maintenance classes for the SD9 which leaves you SoL when ordering parts.

It's kind of the same reason I want to get an AR over say a Mini 14.

Don't get me wrong, the SD9 is a very nice and cost effective fire-arm. But I wouldn't going around believing it is the end all be all. If the SD9 was so good they wouldn't have bothered expanding on the M&P lol.
The best thing about the SD9 though is that it is dimensionally similar to the Glock 19. It's the one flaw S&W made with the M&P series height and dimensions.
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As for the part in red you realise the M&P came before the SD right?
 
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As for the part in red you realise the M&P came before the SD right?
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I'm talking about the initial sigma/ SD's ancestor came prior didn't it? It is what it is.

Also I said expanding on the M&P I never said it came before it. Newer Versions, Refinements, CORE Series.
 
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Capt_Destro said:
I'm talking about the initial sigma/ SD's ancestor came prior didn't it? It is what it is.

Also I said expanding on the M&P I never said it came before it. Newer Versions, Refinements, CORE Series.
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I misread that I thought you were stating that
(to paraphrase here) they would not have made the M&P if the SD was so good.

Here is my take on how the SD came to be. I would have to call Smith and Wesson to confirm but I doubt they would take the time to answer my questions.

Sigma was released and had poor ratings,S&W decided in order to compete with the Glock market they needed to up the ante so they begin to develop a new pistol in the M&P. Somewhere along the line someone says why don't we trash the sigma and take the parts we have in stock to make them and design a hybrid between the M&P and Sigma. We will improve the trigger,make the frames similar in dimension so they can share holsters, cut the SD with the same cuts as the M&P for sights and use our existing sigma mags.

And thus The SD was born.

That would at least explain why the SD shares so much in common with both the Sigma and the M&P. To call it an updated or new generation Sigma would not be fair.

Smith and Wesson should have picked a new naming scheme to differentiate it from the Sigma series a little further IMHO
 
belizeanboy said:
Exactly. I have a SD9 and started a thread about round counts on this forum to hear from those that are long time owners of the SD9 but got one response. I want to know how these SD9 will stand up with high round counts.

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I'm over a 1000 rounds with my sd40 with no problems what so ever.I have only had it for a few months but so far so good.I hate glocks but the sd is far from a glock killer.Glocks have a reputation for reliability,smith's newer semi autos not so much.Now a 2nd/3rd gen smith semi auto is a glock killer:D
 
skimp241 said:
I'm over a 1000 rounds with my sd40 with no problems what so ever.I have only had it for a few months but so far so good.I hate glocks but the sd is far from a glock killer.Glocks have a reputation for reliability,smith's newer semi autos not so much.Now a 2nd/3rd gen smith semi auto is a glock killer:D
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Stay tuned for my next installment: S&W 459, the Glock killer.
The FBI should still be using the 459 as their duty weapon.
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Just kidding, remain calm.:D
 

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Hah, yeah that's "Glockish" in many ways. It feels just like a Glock in my hand-like I picked up my bat from the wrong end. ;-)
 
To be fair, there are many things that feel more comfortable in the hand than Glocks, such as fence posts, lantern batteries, Rubik's cubes, and porcupines. :D
 
BlackTalonJHP said:
To be fair, there are many things that feel more comfortable in the hand than Glocks, such as fence posts, lantern batteries, Rubik's cubes, and porcupines. :D
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Porcupines!!! LMAO!!!

Seriously though I never understood the complaint about Glock grip angles. I get the thick and thin but angles? Really? I love how Glocks feel but at the same time I pick up a S&W M&P and it feel equally good, same goes for the 1911 and the S&W 3rd gens. The angles all feel just fine to me.

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