Sigma Trigger Job

Virginia John

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I did a trigger job on my newly acquired Sigma 9mm and boy what a difference. I followed one (two or three) of the videos on You Tube. What a significant difference, smooth clean pull with reduced effort. I will order a reduced power trigger return spring but right now I couldn't be happier. It would not have been a happy ending without AnthemBassMan showing me how to put it back together.
 
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I have an sw9ve and the trigger pull is awful compared to my M&P Compact. Is that something I can do myself and how difficult is it
 
Well, I have a general question.

There are many many postings about trigger pull, smoothness, reset, whatever, on several S&W product lines. Surely S&W knows this. They have the knowledge and skill to do something about it.

Why don't they? There must be reasons.
 
Well, I have a general question.

There are many many postings about trigger pull, smoothness, reset, whatever, on several S&W product lines. Surely S&W knows this. They have the knowledge and skill to do something about it.

Why don't they? There must be reasons.


It's called sniffling, weasel-eyed, butt sniffing corporate lawyers, that think it's more PC to have an honest person killed, over a criminal who's so-called rights were taken away, while doing something that was against the law, to start with.

The old, "my baby was turning himself around and din-do-nuffen" mentality.
 
I have an sw9ve and the trigger pull is awful compared to my M&P Compact. Is that something I can do myself and how difficult is it

Only you can judge your skill and experience, but there are a couple of things you might want to know. I've used them for a couple of decades and done most everything at least once, especially polishing the slot in the sear. However, the SW is out of production, and certain parts cannot be had from S&W. So if you lose the wrong part, you're no longer able to buy a new part. Also, S&W started crimping in the sear pin, making it difficult to get it out on the later guns.
Second, if you're not all that experienced, you might find it easier, and not terribly expensive, to swap up to an SD, which has a different, better trigger.
 
Well, I have a general question.

There are many many postings about trigger pull, smoothness, reset, whatever, on several S&W product lines. Surely S&W knows this. They have the knowledge and skill to do something about it.

Why don't they? There must be reasons.

If you've looked at the USPSA Production Division Championship matches lately, CZ has become dominant, with about 50% of the guns to S&W's 10%. The "stock" CZ and M&P Pro cost about the same $600, but CZ sells the "Custom Shop Competition Ready 75" for around $1200.

How much of a market would there be for a $1200 M&P with custom hand fit trigger and barrel, capable of 1" at 25yd?
Certainly, improvements in all the fitting would be required, not just a better trigger. Personally, if I were good enough to shoot on the "Dream squad" I'd buy the metal framed CZ instead of any "plastic fantastic.(Glock, M&P, XD, etc)" For all us lesser shooters, an M&P Pro with a little polishing and fitting is just fine, and it doesn't cost $1200.
 
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It's called sniffling, weasel-eyed, butt sniffing corporate lawyers, that think it's more PC to have an honest person killed, over a criminal who's so-called rights were taken away, while doing something that was against the law, to start with.

The old, "my baby was turning himself around and din-do-nuffen" mentality.

I am sorry but I have to disagree with you. There are surely reasons other than what you call "PC", whatever that means in the context of trigger design.

I don't understand the other parts of your argument so I can't comment on anything beyond whatever "PC" means in this forum.

Perhaps they have some concern about the many new, eager, un-trained, gun buyers who buy the VE guns which have no safety other than the hinged trigger and the trigger pull.

Following this forum makes me think that a high percentage of the folks who install trigger mods are relatively un-skilled. Just lots and lots of postings about how hard it is to install the mods and slightly fewer who have problems after the mods are installed.

There is no doubt that S&W has more than one employee active on this forum so they follow these postings. From a marketing point of view, they surely know that fewer guns are sold because of complaints here and if they wanted to sell more they would change the design.

Maybe other folks, more knowledgeable and experienced than I will offer some thoughts.
 
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I did a trigger job on my newly acquired Sigma 9mm and boy what a difference. I followed one (two or three) of the videos on You Tube. What a significant difference, smooth clean pull with reduced effort. I will order a reduced power trigger return spring but right now I couldn't be happier. It would not have been a happy ending without AnthemBassMan showing me how to put it back together.

You're welcome again. Glad things are working well with your Sigma.

L8R,
Matt
 
It's called sniffling, weasel-eyed, butt sniffing corporate lawyers, that think it's more PC to have an honest person killed, over a criminal who's so-called rights were taken away, while doing something that was against the law, to start with.

The old, "my baby was turning himself around and din-do-nuffen" mentality.

Thanks for the moronic attack on myself and my profession. However until you are able to back up your statement with actual and substantial evidence i will dismiss it as an off topic rant of an ignorant jackwagon
 
yes with a little work you can make the trigger better, a lots better. also you can get the spring kit that galloway sales and make the trigger real nice. i have done two trigger jobs and spring kit change out. both trigger are at 6 pounds and are great. went from 10 plus to six pounds. no problems with them after many rounds shot.
 
I did the trigger job on my sigma and found it to be a waste of time. I would not recommend doing it. The gun is what it is which imho is a solid defensive gun. Learn to shoot it. Otherwise, get a different gun.
 
I have an sw9ve and the trigger pull is awful compared to my M&P Compact. Is that something I can do myself and how difficult is it

You can watch the video's referenced above and decide for yourself.
That said, while a Sigma's trigger can be made significantly better, I have never been able to get either of the two samples I worked on even close to the crispness level of a stock/tuned M&P. It could be my lack of experience with this particular model but I believe it's design driven.
 
IMHO, the reason for the "quality" of the SD trigger is, yes, due to lawyers, BUT also due to very inexperienced NEW shooters. While the standard SD trigger can be improved, those "improvements" will never make a very poor shot into an excellent marksman. The inexperienced aren't skilled enough to understand and appreciate the upgrades, again IMHO !! All of the fundamentals/basics will be much more useful than almost any add-on's !! Also, there are lots of potential liability issues when self-defense guns are "modified" !!! Some "mods" might make sense, i.e. Traction grips or similar add-on's which help the shooter gain more control of his pistol. Same with sights. I might even accept another trigger which helps with the shooter's mechanical advantage when firing, without greatly reducing trigger pull. The 8# trigger on my SD9VE is not bad at all, just a bit gritty. I don't personally care much for the S&W articulated trigger, but I can make it work, with a bit of effort. I also have arthritis in both my hands , so smoothing the trigger might be advised if one has a similar medical issue. Just my .02 cents !!!
 
SW pistols, SD pistols, and M&P pistols all have completely different trigger lockwork. The Original SW(aka Sigma) series was designed to mimic a double action revolver, because S&W thought that's what LE would want, A la Glock. The dang SW was put into production too soon, w/o being Beta tested and proved to be problematic. Then S&W got sued by Glock and Mass. required over the counter pistols to require 10 lb trigger pulls. The end result was a pistol with a long, 10lb trigger pull that no one liked. The SW never recovered it's reputation. As an aside, the newer SWVE series proved to be S&W's most dependable and trouble free pistol in their long history. But the damage was done to the gun's reputation and S&W never could fix it.
The M&P series pistol debuted several years later, w/ a true single action sear and striker action in it. The series was an immediate success, even w/ minor trigger problems that S&W fixed in short order.
Somewhere among the M&P's success, S&W decided to make a "first time gun Owner" pistol that was easy to use, but safe during presentation for 1st time buyers. They went back to the SW blueprints and started over, with the end result being the SD series of pistols. Light, inexpensive, and a trigger that was stiff enough whereas a "newbie" wouldn't slip a shot, but light enough that during real CQB the trigger would preform well.

The secret to both the SW and SD series of pistols is that, with use, the triggers start to feel much better as they break in, w/ the SD being much better than the old SW. Both can be altered to be better, but that can and does lead to problems, both from a dependability standpoint and a legal aspect.
Just my take on the trigger thing. Be safe, all.
 
The Original SW(aka Sigma) series was designed to mimic a double action revolver, because S&W thought that's what LE would want, A la Glock.

I see this a lot, and it always makes me wonder.

I've got an original Sigma SW40F , 1994 built and purchased, and the trigger is neither particularly long or heavy.

AFA resembling "a double action revolver", it might resemble a cocked-revolver SA pull...kinda...sorta. I've never encountered a DA revolver pull as short as the Sigma trigger.

If the OP has an actual original Sigma series pistol, the popular "Sigma trigger jobs" that suggest removal of either one of the sear reset springs (or removal and subbing in a pen spring) and/or the pigtail spring will not do much. For the first, the original Sigma's had only one spring resetting the sear--there's no 'outer' spring to remove. For the pigtail spring--it can be removed, but you may find it doesn't noticeably lighten the pull, AND eventually causes light strike misfires. That was my experience, and all went back to stock.
 
Steve912 is correct; the original "Sigma" had a single sear spring set up in the gun. W/ a long trigger pull that mimics a double action revolver very closely. Let off weight on the sear usually came down to around 4.5lbs when the pistol lock work finally got broken in thru use. They were pretty decent. But the pistol had other defects that had not been identified before the pistol was released. In talking to some of the older S&W people, word I got was that the Owners of S&W at that time, were losing money to Glock in Law Enforcement and wanted the "Sigma" on the market fast. The pistol was not ready and lots of LE Departments found out after buying the poor things. That, in essence, ruined the reputation of the "Sigma" and S&W never could get it back. Even after they pulled the "Sigma" off the market, redesigned it a bit and put it back on the market as the SW9VE, they still could not live down the bad reputation of the platform.
An interesting side note; The improvements S&W made to the SW9/40VE did well for the pistol, as by S&W's own records, the SW series of pistols were to date, the most trouble free(in general) pistol that S&W has ever built. And the most popular, due to the reduced cost of the VE enhancements.
The SD will in all likelihood, either match or come close to that record in a few years. The SD is just so much better of a pistol and has a pretty good double action only trigger pull that anyone can use well. At a really good price, too. I know of LE Officers that carry SD's on duty, and are very satisfied w/ the pistol in general. I know I like the SD's a lot!
 
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