Model 410 40 S&W???

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why was this model sold as part of the "value line"? what constitutes the "value line"?

what are they missing?

anyone here own one? what are your impressions?

thanx,
trailblazer
 
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Basically it was S&Ws' attempt to bring own the costs of it's third generation pistols. If you go up to the top of the page and use the search function and put in any of the 910/915/410/411, you'll get lots of info and comments.
 
handgunner356 said:
Basically it was S&Ws' attempt to bring own the costs of it's third generation pistols. If you go up to the top of the page and use the search function and put in any of the 910/915/410/411, you'll get lots of info and comments.
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i already tried that....this is what i get
"Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms".
 
Yeah, that works great. Well anyway the 410/910 are the '95up versions of the 411/915 which started the "Value Line" by using the base 3rd generation guns, plain black rear sight blade and came with one mag only to keep the retail price down. The 410/910 used simpler machine work, a few plastic parts and sights to hold down the price. It keeps the retail about $300 less then the comparable 3rd generation gun.
 
One of the areas of cost cutting was in the slide and frame. There are fewer operations performed and the finished product and, as a result, the slide and frame are somewhat blockier than the 3 gen guns. The slide is almost square, whereas the 3rd gen guns are radiused on the top. The frames on the value line guns are also a bit wider where the frame meets the slide. And where the 3rd gen guns had stippling on the front of the trigger guard and grip, the later value line guns were just smooth.

I need to add that these differences have no impact on the reliability, function or accuracy of the pistols. They may have a small impact on shootability - stippling is nice, but not essential. I own pistols from both lines and believe that the triggers on the value line pistols may have a slight edge on the 3rd gens for smoothness and feel. I don't know why this might be because I understood that the internals for both lines are identical.

Nothing at all wrong with the value guns. I always keep an eye open at shows for these pistols as their owners frequently under value them. Good luck with yours - if that's what you buy.

Out West
 
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I have a 457 (the "value line" .45 they are not just 9s & 40s;)) I picked up at a Pawn Shop last year and love it. It is a good size, feels good in the hand, and I shoot it really well. And that last point is what really matters after all. I keep it as my "truck gun" and it is a nice complement to my 645. I actually shoot the 457 a little better if you can believe that. I think I need A LOT more trigger time on the 645.:D I would not hesitate to buy another S&W value line pistol based on my limited sample and will be looking for a .40 in the future.
 
Had one for less than a few months. Was an OK shooter but didn't really like it. Sold it and lost my shirt! Have since moved on to nicer S&W's
 
trailblazer02 said:
why was this model sold as part of the "value line"? what constitutes the "value line"?

what are they missing?

anyone here own one? what are your impressions?

thanx,
trailblazer
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I bought both a 908 (9MM) and a 410 at the same time used LNIB a couple of years ago. I hope to never have to part with either one. I like them both. They are a very good combination of size, dependability and value.

Just call me abnormal I suppose. I am probably the exception rather than the rule, but I almost like the slightly blockier, less refined slides on the "value series" better than the other 3rd generations that I own.

P.S. I am looking for a 457 now to go with the aforementioned 908 and 410.
 
Action and trigger

Hi,

I am considering getting one of these as well, but I have a couple of questions for those who own the 410 model.

1- What is the action? There are conflicting reports online. Some places say DAO others say DA/SA. If you have one of these pistols, please let me know.

2- I have read that there are problems with the trigger quality and sites. Anyone know why this is being said?

3- The one I am looking at is $460 delivered (new). Is there a better price out there?

Thanks in advance.
 
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They are SA/DA or TDA. Triggers are typical of all TDA guns, they're not a 1911. The sights are good but are plastic not steel. $460 is a good price for NIB. I have a distributor that I can get them from but they would run $470 to your FFL plus his transfer charges. Mags and springs are the same as full size 4000 series, grips and holsters are the same as full size 4000 and 5900 series guns.
 
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Not to sound ignorant, but on a traditional double action pistol such as this, can you cock the hammer manually before the first hot? Does simply pulling back the slide to load the first round cock it? Or do you have the long trigger pull on that first shot no matter what?
 
You can thumb cock the gun or as long as the safety is off the hammer will remain cocked when you chamber a round. One reason some people don't like the bobbed hammers on the compacts, it makes them harder to thumb cock.
 
410 carry

Today, Dec 2, I pick up a mod 410 like new for $295. Compared to whatI pay for my SIGs what a deal. Pistol feels good and will be a traveling piece. I am retired law enforcement.
 
trailblazer02 said:
why was this model sold as part of the "value line"? what constitutes the "value line"?

what are they missing?

anyone here own one? what are your impressions?

thanx,
trailblazer
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There were 2 rounds of the value line guns. The early series was pretty much a 3rd gen with just some cosmetic machining differences in the frame and slide, plastic sites and a plastic guide rod. The later VS guns were NOT the same internally as a normal 3rd gen. Most notably they did not have the lock system between the barrel and the slide in the machined ring on the barrel that locks in the groove on the underside of the slide. IMO and through personal experience the later VS pistols are vastly inferior 2 a real 3rd gen the early ones however are a 3rd gen that is a little cruder in look but has 100% the performance.
Some where here there are a couple threads with photos showing the real differences I am talking. (Found thread look here for more detail http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/221668-915-vs-910-no-lug-910-barrel.html)
Bottom line if looking at a Value series pistol pull the slide and look for the groove in the slide just in front of the ejection port. If it's there the pistol is a 3rd gen with out some machining in the slide and frame but the same functionality if it doesn't IMO stay clear!
 
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RRH said:
I bought both a 908 (9MM) and a 410 at the same time used LNIB a couple of years ago. I hope to never have to part with either one. I like them both. They are a very good combination of size, dependability and value.

Just call me abnormal I suppose. I am probably the exception rather than the rule, but I almost like the slightly blockier, less refined slides on the "value series" better than the other 3rd generations that I own.

P.S. I am looking for a 457 now to go with the aforementioned 908 and 410.
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I also have a 910 and picked up a 457, with orig box, S&W wax paper with bore brush at a gun show yesterday. It's the two tone dealers model. Production code 130120. Spec. Ord. 6276 if that mean's anything.
Nothing wrong with Value Line at all.
 
Ozark Marine said:
I also have a 910 and picked up a 457, with orig box, S&W wax paper with bore brush at a gun show yesterday. It's the two tone dealers model. Production code 130120. Spec. Ord. 6276 if that mean's anything.
Nothing wrong with Value Line at all.
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Owned a 910 at one point and it was an OK Pistol no doubt. However owned a couple other real 3rd gens also and thought it was much lesser than them. Had slightly worse accuracy and was more ammo sensitive than my other 3rd gens. I also had to run down a metal guide rod as the plastic rod in mine had a nick on the rim where it engaged the barrel and kept moving.
Prices are so low on real 3rd gen the ? is why go with a later VE gun instead of a real 3rd gen?
Bought this 4013 TSW in a local Pawn shop for example last year for $350 OTD and trust me this one is lights OUT as a shooter!
 
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Ascension said:
Owned a 910 at one point and it was an OK Pistol no doubt. However owned a couple other real 3rd gens also and thought it was much lesser than them. Had slightly worse accuracy and was more ammo sensitive than my other 3rd gens. I also had to run down a metal guide rod as the plastic rod in mine had a nick on the rim where it engaged the barrel and kept moving.
Prices are so low on real 3rd gen the ? is why go with a later VE gun instead of a rel 3rd gen?
Bought this 4013 TSW in a local Pawn shop for example last year for $350 OTD and trust me this one is lights OUT as a shooter!
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Hey, that's your opinion. I've owned, fired, sold and traded 59xx, 40xx, 45xx, 10xx 3rd gens and 2nd gen's too and the Value Line are real guns. I like them a lot.
 
Ozark Marine said:
Hey, that's your opinion. I've owned, fired, sold and traded 59xx, 40xx, 45xx, 10xx 3rd gens and 2nd gen's too and the Value Line are real guns. I like them a lot.
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The 910 I owned just did not group as well and was not as reliable with diverse ammo as my other 3rd gens have been and that's a fact. May have gotten a bad one don't know but do know for fact that are internal differences in the 910 in particular from the other 3rd gens i have owned. With prices in my area almost identical will stick with a 5900 series pistol.
Do own a CS 9 that is from the value line I really love however just was not fond of the 910 I owned.
 
I have two 411's and love them both. They have the barrel lugs and all metal sights and guide rods. My first one had TruDot night sights installed with some glow remaining. Besides the sights, the only difference between the two is that the later one (by serial number) has a narrower hood on the barrel and matching cut on the slide.

Trigger pull on both are the same as my standard 3rd gen Smiths, which is to say heavy but smooth with a crisp final break. Accuracy is more dependent on the shooter than the gun, as in all my 3rd gen Smiths including my Shorty Forty with Briley barrel bushing.

I can't speak to the 410 as I don't own one and have never even held one. I believe it's these that have the plastic parts, sights and guide rods. I'd avoid these models, and if I got one I'd be looking to replace the guide rod with the metal part.

digiroc
 
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