I have a model 41 that really likes the Eley Club extra, which I believe is standard velocity - correct me if I'm wrong. However, just as accurate, if not more so, and perfect functioning, is the Remington 22 Golden Bullet Plated Round nose- which is marked as High Velocity.

I read that most 41s don't like HV, but mine loves these Remingtons and they're half the price of the Eley...for now.

I had also read that the HV rounds can harm the 41. Is that correct?

Also, all things being equal, will the golden bullet give noticeable wear and tear, compared to the Eley lead?

Brands I've tried, but the two above are noticably more accurate:

CCI - SV - cheap enough for practice.
Wolf (Lapua)
Aquira
Remington lead nose

thanks

That's good to hear about the Remington golden bullets in the M41. I've never shot those out of my M41 as I hear copper lube is less accurate.

I think I remember reading in M41's manual (can't remember) that shooting HV ammo is OK just not those hyper velocity rounds. If you have the manual handy, please confirm/deny this.

However, I don't fire HV ammo in general because I usually don't have any since I shoot .22lr mainly just in competitions, I practice w/ SV only and very specific brands (avoid needing to adjust sights too much).

My current favorite practice ammos: CCI pistol match and SK standard plus (same as Wolf target). Their POI is very similar out of the M41 (1 click at 25 yards and 1-2 clicks at 50yards). Sometimes I shoot them in matches too; at $5-8/box, it is good for practice but probably not for plinking. I have 2 M41s, and they both have the same preference for ammo.

Of the other ammos you mentioned:
My M41shoots Aguila standard pretty well, but it jams often on it (at least once per mag). Interestingly, my M41 doesn't like Aguila match pistol: not accurate and jams.

My M41 also does not like anything CCI except for CCI pistol match.

SAFE - yes
SMART - NO!!

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Tom, elaborate. Is it just the min-mag and Hyper Vs that are not good?

Or is any high velocity not good?

Not looking to save a buck. Just really like the accruacy of both and want to grab whichever comes along, if it's good for the gun.

I might have answered my own question...unfortunately.

If this chart is accurate, the Golden Bullet is 1255 fps Muzzle Velocity, compared to the Eley Club Extra of 1085. Even if the Golden was safe, it makes sense that would take more of a toll on the barrel.

22 Long Rifle Ammunition Specifications and Experience

Please note also that the velocities stated are from a rifle barrel probably 18” although peak velocity is at 16-17”.

You will not get much more velocity out of your pistol with HV or even the Hyper stuff compared to SV. Most all will end up subsonic. Standard vel is usually said to be 1020 or 1080 (rifle), out of a pistol figure 940-980, dependent upon lots of variables.

As Tom says there is no good reason to use it, unless it is all that you can get. It will cause more wear and tear on the pistol, and probably not be as accurate.

In target ammunition you are paying for consistency, which means tight quality control. I am glad you are having good luck with Eley I have an awful time with my 41s and Tenex.

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Agreed on the MV from the rifle, but figured it the "difference" in velocites would be relative at the 7" barrel. So if one round is 200fps more from the rifle barrel, it would be 200fps more from the pistol. So it was clear that the golden bullet was a HV round, at least that's how I figured it.

Guess I have to chase down some Eley!

As noted by others - it affects frame, slide and bbl over time. On HS frames and S&W 46 slide rails problems come up more often, but like a good engine, high sustained RPMs will take their toll. You pay your money and take your chances.

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Vis-à-vis: velocities from short barrels, evidently the rimfire .22 which is of course a very old round, does not develop full velocity until you are further down the bore.
There are a lot of the cut off the barrel type tests out there for .22LR, starting at around 32” and going down to 10”, regrettably they don’t go shorter.
While some people use 28” target rifle barrels, it is because of the longer sight radius and the supposed reduced affect of the exiting gasses on bullet stability.
We have had many discussions here about the relative virtues of 5-5.5-7” barrels, I think the consensus is the only advantage of the longer barrel is sight radius which is moot with the ubiquitous red-dot.
If we assumed that you would get 90% of the 18” velocity out of your 5.5 or 7” barrel the bullet would exit at approximately the speed of sound. From the accuracy stand-point you want to stay well below that point anyway.
Even from rifles, 22LR target ammunition is always standard velocity which in this case means sub-sonic.

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I wouldn't fire HV rounds in mine. It may never hurt it, but it has to accelerate wear.

interesting post, this is slightly 'off topic' but someone had good luck with the Remmy 'golden bullet'. my take is that it varies in quality from 'batch to batch' evidently as sometimes I get many ftfires out of a box and sometimes none at all. this in my Ruger (sacrilege to the md. 41 shooters I know) MkII

Agreed. I honestly fired about 12 rounds from the 41 and didn't realize it was HV until I got home. Like I said, the SV Eley was just as accurate and functioned flawlessly, so I'm good to go.

Thanks for all of the input. Now if someone could tell me where this B-Square Model 41 scope mount came from...

My model 41 has several thousand and thousand of hi-velocity rounds, mostly Wallmart 550 Fed HV hollow point variety.

I have noticed no visible wear. Also high velocity ammo is sometimes the same or a few feet per second more than target or standard.

To me the hi-velocity rounds are stingers, yellow jackets etc.

Al

It seems the terms “Standard Velocity” and “High Velocity” means different things to different manufacturers.
So I suggest checking their web site to see what your particular ammunition is rated at from whatever barrel test they use.
I would suggest staying sub-sonic that is less than 1125 Feet/second. Some makers say 1020 is SV, some 1080.
Some seem to say 1085 is HV.
To slightly misquote Bill Clinton, it all depends upon what high is................
Standard
High
Hyper
ETC.

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I would think the amount of wear on a 41 would depend on the recoil spring used -- much like on a 1911 or any other semi auto handgun. I have a herd time believing a copper washed .22 bullet will wear much on the barrel.

How heavy is the standard recoil spring in a M41? In order for my 41 to shoot CCI sv, I needed to go down to a 6# recoil spring using either the factory barrel or a Clark barrel (didn't want to drill and tap the factory barrel for a red dot for bullseye). I went back to the factory recoil spring and shot a few rounds of Remington Viper the other day, and they shot very well at 50 ft. I The heaviest Wolff recoil spring listed at Champion's Choice was a 7 1/2# spring, so I ordered one of those. Haven't tried it out, yet. My goal is to do a bit of low light preditor calling and wanted to use the red dot. I figure my longest shot would be maybe 75 feet. Longer shots I'd just use my rifle (.257 Roberts w/ 75 gr HP). I chose to try the Viper load because I have a large box on hand.

Remington says the Viper 36gr is rated at 1900 fps, of course this is from a rifle. This stuff is considerably hotter than the SV I would recommend. I think S&W recommends SV as well.
No doubt it will work, you may have some feeding issues. Of course the short barrel will not come near the test barrel in speed.
It would be interesting know what velocity you would get.

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