BillBingham2
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Where do you find said auctions these days?
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LE Trade Ins - Carried a lot shot very little
- Thread starter mlk18
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Once upon a time, an agency I worked for traded off 35 S&W revolvers for autoloaders. I found this really interesting, since we only had 28 LEOs.
Of the Model 66s, only two would I worried about, those officers were once a month shooters, rain, snow or shine.
(ps, there were approx 6 model 36s still new in the box. They were bought for Lts, Det and up. However, the road Lts and Dets kept their 66's)
EXAMINE each gun, and know what you are looking at. I know of a certain supervisors gun which only had scratches on one side. That is the side it laid on in his desk drawer.....
Of the Model 66s, only two would I worried about, those officers were once a month shooters, rain, snow or shine.
(ps, there were approx 6 model 36s still new in the box. They were bought for Lts, Det and up. However, the road Lts and Dets kept their 66's)
EXAMINE each gun, and know what you are looking at. I know of a certain supervisors gun which only had scratches on one side. That is the side it laid on in his desk drawer.....
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Honestly, it depends.
The department I used to work for issued SIG 229's. We updated the 229's to 229's with rails. I still have no idea as to why, but within one year the department got rid of the Sigs and bought Glock 22's.
I was a shooter and took mine to a private range frequently, and hit all the open range dates, so mine had about 10,000 through it. However, I promise you there were 229's leaving the department that only saw maybe 100 rounds, maybe as few as 50 depending on when that officer's range dates fell (twice a year quals).
The 229's the rail guns replaced however were issued, re-issued, and re-issued again. I think I was the 4th officer who carried the one I was issued. And numbers 2 through me got them in the academy, with a weeks class at the range.
The department I used to work for issued SIG 229's. We updated the 229's to 229's with rails. I still have no idea as to why, but within one year the department got rid of the Sigs and bought Glock 22's.
I was a shooter and took mine to a private range frequently, and hit all the open range dates, so mine had about 10,000 through it. However, I promise you there were 229's leaving the department that only saw maybe 100 rounds, maybe as few as 50 depending on when that officer's range dates fell (twice a year quals).
The 229's the rail guns replaced however were issued, re-issued, and re-issued again. I think I was the 4th officer who carried the one I was issued. And numbers 2 through me got them in the academy, with a weeks class at the range.
I have had good experience with S&W service on my LE trades. They changed out a bent slide stop pin, new barrel. I've changed the recoil and firing pin springs just to be sure. I haven't needed to get any other work done yet.
Besides, aren't 3rd gen pistols indestructible??
Besides, aren't 3rd gen pistols indestructible??
webley green
Member
We had to purchase our own sidearms way back when hence the reason I still have my M-15 and M-66. The G-22s my old department uses now are PD marked. We could shoot a box a month if we wanted to, I usually took advantage of it. Just the pair of dump pouches. Simpler times. My 66 is still my go-to firearm. My daily carry now is my old M-38.
I have two old LE Sigs: a 226 and a 220. The 226 has had lots of rounds through it the 220 not many at all. Both shoot just fine.
I also have a G-21 marked KHP, Kansas Highway Patrol. All are darn good shooting sidearms.
I have two old LE Sigs: a 226 and a 220. The 226 has had lots of rounds through it the 220 not many at all. Both shoot just fine.
I also have a G-21 marked KHP, Kansas Highway Patrol. All are darn good shooting sidearms.
In 1972, my Dad and I bought three '68 Ford Custom's from the New Boston (Ohio) PD. Paid $500 each. Two had 351 Cleveland motors. I found a 390 Interceptor.
The process was
1) Remove interior
2) Hose down said interior to remove the vomit, urine, etc.
3) Bondo the holes in the top where the light bar was.
4) Take down top end of motor
5) Do valve job to replace what looked like KFC Extra Crispy drum sticks
6) Paint
7) Chuck drill motor into odometer cable
8) Place drill in reverse, tape back trigger, go to lunch.
7) Sell ASAP
Skeptic 9c
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I've seen great sillyness all over. One small city in "the Greater Cleveland Area" had what I considered a reasonable program, 50 rds per month per man, supervised by trainer and armorer, two qualifications a year. Then a couple of City Council Persons saw a segment on the local news, panicked, and authorized a second armorer/trainer and doubled the training allowance for everything. Shifts ended up short because so many officers were down at the state capitol getting educated and guys were spending paid time at the range. Certain state agencies began body snatching the folks who did well in the training classes. After two years a new City Council was elected and the Chief got things back to something resembling normal. My contact went to a State Agency. He said it was mostly regular hours, better travel with better allowances and higher pay.
Geoff
Who notes there is little standardization, the state may mandate, but insurance companies and politicians can drive a Chief nuts!
Geoff
Who notes there is little standardization, the state may mandate, but insurance companies and politicians can drive a Chief nuts!
Used LE hand guns
Being a Deputy Sheriff I can say most hand guns are shot at qualification time. In pretty excellent to very good condition. Now the cars---DO NOT BUY ONE. They may be maintained, but they are beat on, Cops don't give a damn about there vehicles ( a lack of accountability). The tax payers buy them and the cops just use them. Weapons are a different story. IMHO
Being a Deputy Sheriff I can say most hand guns are shot at qualification time. In pretty excellent to very good condition. Now the cars---DO NOT BUY ONE. They may be maintained, but they are beat on, Cops don't give a damn about there vehicles ( a lack of accountability). The tax payers buy them and the cops just use them. Weapons are a different story. IMHO
Some Police trade-ins were actually shot very little. We had our S&W 4003s for only two or three years before we down-graded (in my opinion) to M&P40s. Many (I would say most) officers don't shoot their guns much more than the 200+ rounds per year. If you can find an Atlanta Police 4003, chances are its been shot very little. They are on gb. Just type atlanta police.
Ben
Ben
I'm on my second ATL PD 4003TSW. Both have/had minimal wear. I guess I know why another 4003TSW had a better trigger than both of these. It was obviously shot allot more. It was well worn, but the trigger was butter smooth. I haven't shot this latest example, but perhaps in another few days I will make it to the range.
Icopy1
Member
This is a great thread! I have two LE trade ins. One is a S&W 4043 and one is a Beretta 8040. Both have proven reliable and accurate. Granted they don't look as pretty as my range guns, but I consider them to be tools. And they are in my carry rotation since I don't care if they get knocked around, wet, or dirty.
If I worked for an agency that did not even break in new guns to ensure reliability I would transfer elsewhere. A new sidearm needs to have several hundred rounds fired through it before it is suitable for duty use, preferably by the person who is going to be carrying it on duty.
When I read about departments who shoot so little and/or don't take firearms training seriously it lessens my surprise at the shots fired to hit ratios that seem to end up in the news all the time. Like in Fresno last fall when 8 cops fired 63 rounds, some of which hit buildings next to the one the suspect was in and very few of which hit or hit close to the suspect.
hemiram
Member
I have 4 trade in guns, all shoot great:
4586- Has some gouges on the slide where it looks like it slid on concrete. Internally, looks great. Slide has a little bit of play, but I've seen a lot worse on many new guns.
4506- It has a couple of shiny spots on the muzzle end of the slide, and the checkering on the front of the trigger guard has something on it that only partially cleaned off, even using a toothbrush and several different solvents. I'm guessing it's paint of some kind.
5906- Almost new, no doubts about it. No wear inside at all, one tiny shiny spot on the bottom rear of the slide near the decock/safety lever.
4006 TSW. Excellent outside, nearly perfect inside. A few holster marks is all there is.
As most others posting in this thread would say, "I have no fear buying a trade in police gun, but I would never buy a trade in police car!". After seeing what was in the back of the prize a friend bought years ago, I would be scared to even sit in one before it was thoroughly cleaned, and preferably sterilized first! He bought it in his wife's hometown in North Carolina, and drove it home from the auction all the way to Ohio without any real issues. Nearly everything mechanical needed to be replaced, and the mice had done a fine job eating on the wiring harness too. There was a nest of little mouse skeletons in the trunk. Eventually, he got it all fixed up and had it painted at MAACO in an odd shade of brown. I don't know why he picked that brown, and he said later on, he didn't know why either. He had it for about 12 years, and then his son wrecked it when he fell asleep coming home from work one night. The 440 from it is now being built to go into his old 79 Dodge truck he got on Ebay. The cop car was in great shape compared to it.
4586- Has some gouges on the slide where it looks like it slid on concrete. Internally, looks great. Slide has a little bit of play, but I've seen a lot worse on many new guns.
4506- It has a couple of shiny spots on the muzzle end of the slide, and the checkering on the front of the trigger guard has something on it that only partially cleaned off, even using a toothbrush and several different solvents. I'm guessing it's paint of some kind.
5906- Almost new, no doubts about it. No wear inside at all, one tiny shiny spot on the bottom rear of the slide near the decock/safety lever.
4006 TSW. Excellent outside, nearly perfect inside. A few holster marks is all there is.
As most others posting in this thread would say, "I have no fear buying a trade in police gun, but I would never buy a trade in police car!". After seeing what was in the back of the prize a friend bought years ago, I would be scared to even sit in one before it was thoroughly cleaned, and preferably sterilized first! He bought it in his wife's hometown in North Carolina, and drove it home from the auction all the way to Ohio without any real issues. Nearly everything mechanical needed to be replaced, and the mice had done a fine job eating on the wiring harness too. There was a nest of little mouse skeletons in the trunk. Eventually, he got it all fixed up and had it painted at MAACO in an odd shade of brown. I don't know why he picked that brown, and he said later on, he didn't know why either. He had it for about 12 years, and then his son wrecked it when he fell asleep coming home from work one night. The 440 from it is now being built to go into his old 79 Dodge truck he got on Ebay. The cop car was in great shape compared to it.
sw44spl
Member
My agency is now switching to the junk gen 4 glocks.and they are that. they jam and act up alot.we can buy our old 3rd gen glocks which nothing was wrong with.a new range sgt and in come new guns.we were almost going to the m&p40 but glock pawned the gen 4 junk on us.now many officers are failing to requalify and lossing their job due to it.you get no training on the new gen4.just show up at the range on your qualifying day and you get a new gun and get to try to qualify with it. but back to used leo guns .I have a used leo 4006 that I got and carried at my PD.so it got to do its duty twice.a 5906 that is a sweet shooter.a bretta 92 that I got to use in BLET and my first year as a police officer. I have a 64-1 that has the best double action pull. a well worn model 10-5.all shoot very well and I would never part with them.
