Glock 17 VS S&W 3rd gens

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Went to the range with a buddy of mine who has a Glock 17, I showed with my 4566 and 3913. Within 50 rounds he had three failures and was not real accurate shooting VERY low.

While I think some was him with the aim (he is new to shooting) the failures where not his fault. The same ammo that didnt work in the glock fed fine in my 3913. After helping him out a little his aim got better, getting groups of about 10 inches at 10 yards. Then I let him shoot my 3913, suddenly his groups dropped to about 4-5 inches with one flier.

I know some love the glock and they have a great reputation, but I have never fell in love with the tupperware guns. Made me feel good to have the 3rd gens with me.

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Have been shooting glocks for quite a while and there should not be 3 failures in 50rds.
I have not found a manufacturers round that did not shoot in my 19, 21, 26.
Either his mag is bad, limp wristing, or he should let an armorer look at his pistol.

On a side note I cant compare the 2 pistols because I have not shot the smith autos yet.
 
Have been shooting glocks for quite a while and there should not be 3 failures in 50rds.
I have not found a manufacturers round that did not shoot in my 19, 21, 26.
Either his mag is bad, limp wristing, or he should let an armorer look at his pistol.
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Amen to that. I've shot & owned Glocks since '94 or '95, and have had many friends & coworkers who also own them. The 9mm's do not jam unless there is a serious problem that needs to be corrected right away. As for marksmanship, just tell him to check out Hickok45 on youtube.
 
As a former Glock owner, having owned a G27,G23 and G21 I'll say the Smith's will function just as well as the Glocks but look a whole lot purtier. I sold all my Glocks and recently purchased a 3913, 3953, 6906 and CS45. I have zero regrets about selling my Glocks unlike the usual remorse I have had in the past selling a firearm.
 
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Well, I'm thinking there are "Glock guys", and there are "3gen Smith guys"..

Generally, generally, the two camps have nothing in common as you seldom see a Glock guy who appreciates the Smiths, and visa-versa..

For example, I had a couple of Glock 26's, and they were very, very good pistols. I just hated the trigger/striker, and the grip was not right for my hands.

I have a 3rd Gen 3913, 3913LS, 5906,6906, CS9, and a CS45...

I guess that would put me in the 3rd Gen Smith lovers family?

Being old, I prefer the tda platform, and my Smiths have that, along with seemingly, absolute reliability (knock on wood).. Reliability being job ONE for me in a self defense firearm, I'm well pleased with the Smiths.

Nothing wrong with the Glocks, if you like Glocks..

Best Wishes,

jesse
 
I've only fired a Glock once. Didn't do too badly with it, but I can do a whole lot better with any of my gen3's. I have one in each caliber, 9,10,.40, .45. I'm not in the market for any more guns at the moment, but if a great deal came along on another Smith, I'd probably bite. If a great deal came along on a Glock, I'd probably leave it for someone else.
 
I'm a 3rd generation pistol fancier. While I don't own any Glocks.....and am not really fond of them due in part to their plastic construction, but mainly because they are striker fired, I've never seen a Glock 17 that didn't eat everything and function 100%.

I'm not saying that Glocks are the "perfection" they claim to be, just that particular model has a well earned reputation for reliability.

I'd take my 3913 over a Glock 17, or 19 anyday, and do. But I'd take a Glock 17 or 19 anyday over ANY other striker fired tupperware guns. ;) Regards 18DAI.
 
I admit I have never fired a S&W semi-auto and never felt a strong desire to shoot one. I have shot Glocks ever since they hit the U.S. My first Glock was a Mdl 17 1st Gen. Outside of my Colt 1911, Glocks answer all my semi-auto pistol needs. In fact we have four 9mms and one 40 S&W in the family. They all function flawlessly, fit our hands and just feel right to shoot. Anyone that shoots 10 inch groups at 10 yards with a Glock, especially a Mdl 17, and has three malfunctions, needs to seriously work on his pistol handling skills. Practice, practice, practice.

I can't speak about S&W semi autos, like I said I have never fired one. I have fired Barrettas, Taurus, Sig, Fn, 1911s etc, and found that Glocks fit my semi-auto needs perfectly, and without costing an arm and a leg. In revolvers, I will take a S&W over any other.
 
Glocks are like ar's, completely over rated and worshipped. I've been forced to carry them on duty and I've even owned a couple but they are NO better than anything else out there. I finally settled on the 4506 as my SA platform and they'll do anything that the plastic wonder will do, period. My glocks and others that I've seen have had issues with feeding as well, rarely mind you but it is there. Neither of my 4506's have failed to feed whatever I've put through them including empty cases, that's reliability that you can stake your life on.
 
Hi,
It apears like most of the problem was the shooter. I think he did better with the Smith because he had gotten used to shooting some rounds and of course got a little bit better. The Glocks for me are for combat or basic self defense pistols. They are reliable, easy to clean and durable. They are a different style pistol than a 3 rd generation Smith. I don't think you can really compare them. I have a 5903 and also a Sigma 40VE. A Sigma is a knockoff of a Glock only with a heavier trigger but a better feeling grip. I am fairly accurate with the Sigma. But by no means as accurate as with my 5903. Some people like a plastic pistol. Some people would rather have a more conventional "old school" pistol. I like both but I will tell you I will pick my 5903 over the Sigma for accurately and shooting at the range. Glocks, Sigmas and other striker pistols are for a purpose. In expense easy to use basic self defense pistols.

Thats my take,
roaddog28
 
I actually shot the Glocks better than I do the S&W's for some reason. Perhaps it's the low bore axis and they feel to me more like a 1911-a pistol I always did well with. However, as much as many extol the virtues of the safety on a Glock, to me it's a pistol I'd never carry with one in the chamber although many that carry do this. I'd be nervous the whole time.

I talked with an officer at work today about his G22 and he was hesitant but finally told me if it wasn't for departmental rules, he'd never carry a Glock loaded. He was very familiar with the 3rd Gen pistols and said he'd feel much better carrying a 4566 with one in the chamber if he had a choice. My sentiments exactly.

Glocks are fine pistols, I have several but-for the range and home protection and I love shooting the G19 and G26 but, for CC-a 457 or 3913 would make me feel better about not drilling a hole accidentally through my but or leg but, that's my personal feelings about them.
 
A Glock is perfectly safe with a round in the chamber. In fact, it is proven to be safer than most. Of course if you stick your finger inside the trigger guard and pull the trigger it will discharge. that is operator error and lack of training. Not the fault of the pistol's design.
 
Glocks love em or hate em the one thing that I have never heard argued was their reliability. I agree with earlier post that your buddy was probably limp wristing. It's too bad that new shooters always tend to jump into the deep end of the pool before they learn to swim. A few sessions with a good quality .22 LR would have helped to prepare your buddy to concentrate on basics of good marksmanhip.
 
Harrison said:
A Glock is perfectly safe with a round in the chamber. In fact, it is proven to be safer than most. Of course if you stick your finger inside the trigger guard and pull the trigger it will discharge. that is operator error and lack of training. Not the fault of the pistol's design.
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Safer than most? Sorry, I have to disagree with that. I've been around and owned pistols for four decades and own pistols much more safer. Id rather carry a cocked and locked 1911 than a Glock. This is purely personal. Many don't think this way but it's the way I view that particular pistol. I've seen YouTube videos of those who take the Glock trigger with a thumb and fore finger and pull on the trigger and say, "see how safe they are"? They may be safe to drop but the inherent possibility of a chambered ground in a Glock is much more plausible than a 3rd Gen Smith that has a decocker and magazine release.

I don't think it's lack of training but it's a matter of design fact. There are safer guns for CC. Our officers at work are nervous about carrying one in their G22's and they're not hurting for training.
 
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I'll begin by saying I am no fan of the Glock pistol.

If there were problems with people shooting their toes off with Glocks carried with one in the chamber, I am certain we all would have heard about it by now. The only incidents I have ever heard of involved knuckle-heads putting their finger on the trigger while drawing or holstering the weapon.
 
I carried S&W 3rd gen 9mms at work and off-duty for almost 20 years.

I can shoot and work on the system (I've been the the armorer school) with no issues, and my guns never had any issues with reliability or durability, yet I am much happier now with my Glock 9mms.

Overall our reliability rate, and qual scores, have gone up since we switched from the S&Ws to the Glocks. We had many issues with the 5906 as a duty weapon due to hand size vs gun size with out IBOs.
 
tpd223 said:
I carried S&W 3rd gen 9mms at work and off-duty for almost 20 years.

I can shoot and work on the system (I've been the the armorer school) with no issues, and my guns never had any issues with reliability or durability, yet I am much happier now with my Glock 9mms.

Overall our reliability rate, and qual scores, have gone up since we switched from the S&Ws to the Glocks. We had many issues with the 5906 as a duty weapon due to hand size vs gun size with out IBOs.
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When I was still on the job, the qualification course was at 3 points. We fired 5 rounds at the 25 yard line, 30 at the 15 yard line, and 15 at the 7 yard line. My outdoor range is set at 25 yards. Since that's the only distance i can shoot at, my skills have gone up. At 25 yards every shot is in the inner area of the torso (the grey area). Are they in one hole? No. But with that target, I would have a 100% score. If people need to change weapons to pass a police qualification, they need to shoot more. The Glock does nothing that the S&W does, and it does quite a few things worse. The only weapon that experienced ND's while i was on the job was the Glock 19. No S&W or SIG ever had one. For a police gun, I think they are among the worst choices (just like any other striker fired guns). Reholtsering a Glock without a hammer or external safety after you ran three blocks, or just rolled around with a drunken idiot, or on a felony carstop when you're not gonna take your eyes of the car, is not something I enjoyed doing. And no, i never had an ND, but I know guys who did. Not too many PD's are very concerned with getting their officers range time. They don't want them off the street. So some cops who shoots 400 rounds a year isn't gonna be the pistolero they like to think they are.

For an experienced shooter, Glocks are good guns. For the novice or the casual shooter, they're better off with a hammer fired gun.
 
sounds like weak grip-itis to me. and new to the trigger pull.
I've shot some Glocks that really socked 'em in there. I'm nervous with striker fired though, 2 a-d's in neighboring countys some years back one with serious injury. both removeing/replaceing from holster on belt. I'm 5906 fan, like that da/sa and slide safety/decocker.
 
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