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ATTN. 10XX Auto Owners, Production Has Started - .40 S&W & .357 SIG Barrels
Anyone interested ?
Many of you know me through this great forum and that I have been heavily involved with the .356 TSW cartridge.
Posting the many conversions that I have worked with, having great success and enjoying the testing and evaluation of this great round.
6906 in .356 TSW, Marlin Camp-9/.356 TSW, New Project - Ruger PC4/.357 SIG
Making .356 TSW from other cartridges? - PROBLEM SOLVED
356 TSW Reloads
Anyone want to turn a standard 9 m.m. into a .356 TSW ?
.356TSW brass - Group buy?
WTB - S&W 6906 barrel P/N 236940000 - (Found One)
Model 3566 - 356TSW - Hope I did the right thing here?
My retirement from Aerospace Machining with 30+ years experience in many, many types of manufacturing processes has benefited me a great deal in my “odd” endeavors.
I am now contemplating the development and manufacturing of drop-in/semi-drop-in replacement barrels for all of us that have been thinking how nice it would be to have the advantages of shooting the .40 S&W and .357 SIG from out 10XX series handguns.
The first “Test Run” would probably be a lot size of 25-50 of each barrel (depending on the demand?) to accommodate the two different calibers in the two different barrel lengths, 5.00” and 4.25” with retrospect to the 1006, 1026, 1046 and the 1066, 1076 and 1086.
Wolff Gun Springs has a variety of replacement springs to taylor the recoil impulse and brass ejection to your liking.
Wolff lists the stock spring for the 1006, 1026 and 1046 @ 18#’s
They show 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 20, 22 and 24#’s
Also the stock spring for the 1066, 1076 and 1086 @ 17#’s
They show 14, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, and 22#’s
I am hoping to start the development after the first of the year.
If this dream works out I would like to expand to the 4013 style and 40XX series with .357 SIG barrels.
But that would be a little ways away at this point.
Any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
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Hey BM1, I would definetly be interested! I have a 4006 and wouldn't mind "spicing it up" so to speak with a .357 SIG barrel!
So when you get this project up and running I'd appreciate a PM.
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Hey BM1, I would definetly be interested! I have a 4006 and wouldn't mind "spicing it up" so to speak with a .357 SIG barrel!
So when you get this project up and running I'd appreciate a PM.
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Although the OP checks in here occasionally, he has not posted anything since 2015, so consider this idea dead. If something changes, he can contact one of the mods to reopen this thread or start a new one.
Sorry to all those with hopes of seeing this turn into something.
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Assuming it was affordable, I would definately be interested in a .40 bbl for a 1006. Might be interested in a .40 bbl for a 1076 as well.
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Another excuse for buying a new pistol
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i'm interested in barrels for the 1076 and 4006.
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Greetings and Merry Christmas.
I have a 1086 that is a keeper. I would not mind having a drop in barrel
for .40 S&W ctg. if priced in the $100. range.
I have little experience with such things but, have done some
1911 barrel swapping in the past.
I do not have much interest in the 357 sig ctg. but would gladly experiment with a barrel in my 1086 if asked to.
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I'd love a 357SIG barrel for a 4013TSW or 4006TSW.
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More information added
Adding a note here, as I mentioned before;
I am a retired Aerospace CAD/CAM/CNC Manufacturing Engineer/Plant Manager.
All barrels would be manufactured on CNC Turning Centers (Lathes) and CNC Machining Centers (Mills)
To the latest ANSI/SAAMI Chamber Specifications and standard SAE and JIS thread specifications.
Included would be Centerless Grinding operations and Glass Bead Blast surface finishing, like the satin factory finish.
All barrels would be engraved to identify the calibers.
All of which means MATCH GRADE Barrel Tolerances.
Not what comes out the factory or mass production shops as some of us have experienced many times.
I neglected to mention that there is the opportunity to have your barrel threaded here also, with your choice of thread.
The friend of mine that I am working with on this project has a CNC manufacturing facility and the FFL license to manufacture firearms and also silencers.
We have not finalized which grade of steel we are going to produce the barrels out of yet.
I'm thinking it will either be 410, 416 SS or we could opt for a stronger 4140 Chrome Moly Steel but it would be delivered to you in the “White” state, not blued.
I am venturing into this because it is something that I have always wanted to do this with my 10XX series firearms and
I love to tinker in different caliber interchangeabilities as some of you may already know.
I'll just make many more to share.....................
The cost is to be determined based on covering the material and production costs.
The factory charges about $125 for a stock replacement barrel when they are in stock, Numrich gets around $133.35 and again, when they are in stock.
They will be more expensive than a factory replacement barrel from Smith and Wesson, this I can say with certainty, as I'm sure you all know.
What we are planning on manufacturing is a barrel that would be far superior to the barrel manufactures that I see out there pedaling their goods at prices between $150.00 and $300.00+
Hey, I've paid $80 to $130 for grips ranging from modified factory plastic to exotic wood all for the looks and of course also the feel.
These barrels will be precision machined steel and are specifically designed to enhance the range of functionality of your gun [shooting ammo], cheaper and/or faster/more accurate rounds.
Another additional note;
We are looking at also producing extended slide stops for the many different frame widths of the third gens and also extended magazine release buttons and a button to replace the decocking lever on the right side of the ambi safety/decocking levers.
As I mentioned before, this is all in the early stages of the whole process.
Please be patient.
I am happy that I have been overwhelmed with responses I have received. but it takes allot of time to go through the emails and respond.
Please use this email, [email protected] for any and all questions on this endeavor.
(Bad_Man_One) not this (Bad Man One)
You need to use the underbars between the words (not spaces) that get deleted by the computer underlining it as an email address.
Thank you all again and have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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I would love to see renewed interest in the aftermarket for the 3rd Generation S&W pistols. Anything you make for it will be much appreciated I'm sure.
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I'd love a .357 Sig barrel for a 1006.
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I got a .357 sig barrel for my 4046 from bar-sto before they stopped making them. It works like a champ! Swap barrels, add a heavier spring for the .357 and voila. Point of aim differences are not that bad and one day I'll switch to Novak adjustable sights and that will be that. A perfect 2 caliber gun.
I think it would be a great idea for the 10XX series but what about magazines to handle the shorter cartridge length of .40 S&W and 357 sig?
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I would definitely be interested in .40 S&W and .357 Sig barrels for my 1006.
A .357 Sig barrel for a Shorty .40 would be cool, too.
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I would take a 357 sig for the 1006 and the 1076, and maybe for the 4006 also. If you go for it count me in.
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40 S&W & 357 Sig
I'm interested in both for my 1006! Have a 357 Sig in the works for my Model 22 Glock! Let me know if/when production is nearing. Assuming true drop in fit!
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I think it would be a great idea for the 10XX series but what about magazines to handle the shorter cartridge length of .40 S&W and 357 sig?
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Works fine in other 10mm platforms. In fact, in my Delta Elite my 10mm mags work better than the 40's with the spacer.
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I am interested in a 357 Sig barrel for my 1076s (I own 2 FBI Issued 1076s). If its a go please let me know.
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Bumping it up... since I had to go a few pages back to find it.
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Depending on the final price, I would be in for a barrel for my 1076.
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I'd be in for a .357 SIG and .40 barrel for the 1006... more emphasis on the .40, but would snatch up a .357 one, as well. Would prefer stainless, especially since I'm planning on bead-blasting my 1006 sometime in the future. I jumped on the BerettaForum’s SGS compensator project, and definitely would be up for adding this to my collection.
I remember from another 10mm conversion thread that there was talk about taking .357 barrels and turning them into 9x25mm Dillon. I believe DoubleTap makes a few different loadings for the Dillon, so it might be another one to look at. Figuring that two barrels would probably already put me into debt, I might buy a third for 9x25mm Dillon, if it were an option.
I know a few other 10mm owners on the various forums, which I’ll point them to this thread. Not sure if you are a part of 10mmTalk, but if this does get closer to production, I'm sure you'll get a good amount of interest there. If you are not a member, I can link this thread to them, but I do remember at least two other threads that didn’t lead anywhere, so some are a little weary on this subject.
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I would get a .40 barrel for a 1006 and maybe a 357 sig also...
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I'd be interested in both a .40 and 357 Sig barrel for my 1006. Would the 10MM mags need to modded also, or will they work with the new barrels?
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I think I would also be interested in a .40 barrel for a 1006. I am curious though, what magazines would work to feed .40 in a 1006? Would 4006 magazines work?
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For conversions like that, you would use standard magazines.
The .40 round is a shortened 10mm, so it will fit in the magazine with some space to spare. The .357 would be similar since it uses a bottlenecked .40 casing. Glock 20 conversions work the same way, and back when .40 1006 barrels were produced, that is how they were ran.
The magazines would not need to be modified. Also, 4006 magazine would not work, since they are double-stacked and the 10mm magazines are single-stacked.
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For conversions like that, you would use standard magazines.
The .40 round is a shortened 10mm, so it will fit in the magazine with some space to spare. The .357 would be similar since it uses a bottlenecked .40 casing. Glock 20 conversions work the same way, and back when .40 1006 barrels were produced, that is how they were ran.
The magazines would not need to be modified. Also, 4006 magazine would not work, since they are double-stacked and the 10mm magazines are single-stacked.
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I agree regarding the magazines. The 10XX-series mags should work and feed fine for the .40S&W, .357Sig & 9x25Dillon cartridges, just as the stock 10mm mags for the Glock 20 & 29 work without a hitch w/ those rounds. 10mm fans on GT and elsewhere have posted repeatedly about having NO issues with feeding.
These rounds are all 10mm case-derivatives anyway, so for extraction and ejection purposes the critical "back-end" dimensions are identical. Plus, the polished, integral ramp of 10XX-series barrels should work in favor of smooth feeding off the mags, not against it.
In 1911 guns, I've read about IPSC/IDPA guys who, when they interchange their 10mm barrels for .40 tubes, "long-load" their .40 reloads (i.e., increase the COAL a bit) to ensure consistent feeding. But my understanding was they still were using a stock 10mm mag.
Just FYI ...
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The 10XX-series mags should work and feed fine for the .40S&W, .357Sig & 9x25Dillon cartridges, just as the stock 10mm mags for the Glock 20 & 29 work without a hitch w/ those rounds.
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With that being said, a member on 10mm Talk has both a .40 and 9x25 Dillon barrel (both were BarSto). He posted a few times in the project threads over the years, and never made any mention of issues.
Don't think there was a .357 SIG barrel made, but being a bottlenecked round just like the 9x25, it should feed just fine.
Really hope this goes down. I'm looking at moving to an organization that uses .357 SIG, and wouldn't mind seeing what kind of performance I can get out of the round. Converting is better than buying myself a P229 in it (I don’t have a .40 gun to convert).
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Progress report on the 9/40 conversion barrels
I have contacted quite a few barrel manufactures about producing some 9 m.m. and .40 S&W rifled blanks because
they can do the gun drilling and button riffling more efficiently than I can.
They seem to prefer to use alloy steels (4140 types), where I’m asking for 400 series Stainless Steels.
I am still waiting for more quotes to come in.
In the interim I found a Bar-Sto barrel in 9 m.m. X 23 m.m. from a forum member and purchased it.
The reason is partly that I wanted to see the quality, fit and finish of a Bar-Sto (Drop-in?).
The other reason is that I had found 7 - 50 round boxes (at a good price) of 125 gr. Winchester Silvertips HP's in 9 m.m. X 23 m.m
with the thoughts of de-capping them to use the brass for my .356 TSW reloads.
Well, after de-capping one box, what a pain in the butt that was.
I got to thinking about shooting the ammo rather than de-capping them and happen to find the Bar-Sto barrel by chance.
Was I ever surprised when I received it? It had to be re-worked quite a bit, it was definitely not a "drop-in".
The barrel locking lug in front of the chamber hood that seats into the slide when in battery was not cut deep enough by .024” on the diameter compared to my factory barrels.
The location of the breech face lug on top was binding on the slide breech face and was also way out of square to the thru bore.
I ground .010” to fit leaving .002” clearance during lock-up. Stock S&W barrel and slide seem to be .004-.008 clearance.
The .204 diameter pin on the slide lock lever that holds the assembly all together and contacts an area under the bottom lug and
controls the position that the slide locates forward lock-up relative to the back of the frame was off.
It had to be reground with a matching radius, I had to push it back an additional .032” for the back of the slide to line up.
The chamber was also way out of spec and it was re-bored in a CNC Lathe to SAAMI Specs.
Now it's ready to go to the range.
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1006/1026/1046 in 9mm X 23mm / .356 TSW
I will update as needed, best regards,
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So at one point in time there were .40 barrels made for a 1006? Were they factory made?
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I would be interested in a 40S&W barrel for a 1006 depending on price. $200ish range would be good, while $400 would be too rich for my blood. Definitely prefer for it NOT to be in the white.
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Not factory... they were produced by BarSto. I do know that a member of 10mmTalk has a 9x25mm Dillon barrel, which I believe was also made by them.
Most of the past attempts to get a .40 or .357 SIG barrel made has been through them, but they want a minimum of fifty barrels to be purchased (not for all types, like a total of both .40 and .357, but fifty of each type). When you try to get that together on the internet, it is impossible to get fifty people. You may get some that say yes, but not respond when you are ready... which would screw your run if you were just around fifty.
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I would be interested in a 357 Sig barrel for a 4006, plus a 357 Sig barrel for a 1006.
I've got the reamer for 9x25 Dillon, so if I don't like the barrel for the 1006, I'll just convert it to 9x25.
Hope this helps.
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How about a 30 Luger barrel for the model 39?
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I would be very interested in a .40 S&W barrel for my 1006.
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I would be very interested in a .40 S&W barrel for my 1006.
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Got in late on this (hopefully, not too late), but I too would be VERY interested in a 5" .40S&W tube for my 1006.
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Let me know when you're ready to roll.
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If you made a run of .40 S&W for the 1066/76/86 barrel lengths I would be interested in one.
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BadManOne,
It'd be terrific if you turned this into an on-going second career -- after retirement.
Please place the emphasis on "on-going"!
Any way you shuffle it, it's a terrific idea -- provided they all drop in.
Keep us posted!
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Ill take one in 40 for the 1006. As long as it is made to be a drop in fit, I'm in. I don't have the tools, time, or talent to take it any other way. Just let me know where to send the money order.
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I have to put this back to the top of the postings, I will do it daily if no one responds to keep it on top.
Please read post #45, I need more replies on the price before this project can commence.
The amount of money that I will be putting front here is substantial.
I need those replies/comments on the $225.00 price…………….
And,
Another option that was brought to my attention by a forum member is a 10 m.m. Match Grade fitted barrel.
Yes it is option, one I had not thought of.
All the operations will be done using CNC (Computer Numerical Controlled) equipment.
The chambers are single point bored using a rough and finishing carbide boring tool.
At that point in the production process it’s just a slight program change.
I would contact you when we are at that point in the production.
I need to know if the $225.00 (MAXIUM) price for a DROP IN barrel will work for you guys.
If that is not acceptable, then, I’m truly sorry, it’s over before it starts.
You keep me posted and I will keep you posted.
I really need the feedback here……………………..
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$225 max price works for me.
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02-13-2011, 10:53 AM
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Count me in for two barrels, $225 is good for me.
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02-13-2011, 12:23 PM
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I will pay $225 for a .40 barrel, drop in, for a 1006. Just let me know when and where to send the postal money order.
Thanks for your efforts.
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02-13-2011, 03:45 PM
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I will be glad to pay up to $225. for a drop in .40 s&w barrel for my 1076. Thanks so much 4 your hard work on this. Mike
Last edited by MikeSteen; 02-13-2011 at 03:56 PM.
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02-13-2011, 06:25 PM
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^^^ Ditto. Another 1076 owner happy to pay you $225 for a .40 S&W drop-in barrel. Very much appreciate your efforts on our collective behalf.
I contacted Bar-Sto about a group purchase and was told 50 orders would be required (as mentioned elsewhere in this Forum). Price was $193.25 plus S&H with a 10% discount. For me the price difference is negligable, but the lack of stronger interest is a bit disappointing. Given the decided edge in cheap practice ammo a .40 S&w barrel provides, combined with the lack of other viable options for a barrel swap, I honestly thought there would be MUCH greater interest than has been shown thus far.
Tip 'o cap to BM1. Hope you can at least get one run completed.
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02-13-2011, 11:10 PM
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Count me in on a 4 3/4" & 5", 40 cal. with drop in option #1.
$225.00 is fine with me.
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Count me in for a drop-in .40 for my 1006.
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Hello, I'd be interested in a .357 SIG barrel for my 1026. I would also be interested in a barrel chambered in 9X19mm. I realize that second choice would not be considered very practical or useful but I 'd like to try it just for fun/curiosity/"in the interest of science", etc. I would prefer the #2/semi-drop in type. I would like to fit the spherical end, as you mentioned, and the hood to breech face to minimum dimensions myself. Headspace held close to minimum would be a big plus to me.
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Good luck.....
I like anything that keeps third gens shooting.
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