3rd Gen. trigger vs Sig SRT

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Anyone compared the two? One thing I love about my 3rd Gen triggers is the short reset, shorter than the Glocks I've fired. A co-worker's brother is looking to sell his P239 that has the SRT, or short reset trigger installed.

Other than the wife's P238, I've never fired a Sig.

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funny you should bring this up because this morning was .45 day and my buddy remarked how the trigger reset on my P220 was the same as my 4516-2.....I agreed.....but he is used to his Taurus Millineum .40 which has no discernible felt reset at all to me ....my Sig is older without the newer SRT but I don't see how it can be improved that much ;)
 
"One thing I love about my 3rd Gen triggers is the short reset, shorter than the Glocks I've fired."

I have both and think just the opposite, but I don't put a lot of thought into triggers. Learn to shoot whatcha got.
 
I have a P229 Elite Stainless with the SRT and the reset is short, about 1/8 inch from trigger against the frame. With the installation of some type of trigger stop you could probably get it down to about 3/32 inch. However the DA trigger pull has never smoothed out to the level of the non SRT trigger on my P239 and from what I've heard a gritty trigger is one of the tradeoffs for the SRT.

The other tradeoff is a lot more obvious and that is a LOT of Sear Creep. It's long enough that I actually took the time to measure the full length of the Sear Creep and it's a whopping 0.070 inch. Compare that to my P239 and the Sear Creep on that non SRT pistol measures at a revolver like 0.018 inch. Yeah, the Sear Creep is darned near 4 TIMES as long as on the non SRT trigger. The reason for that is that during development of the SRT trigger Sig discovered that if the shooter "rode the reset point" the weapon could double or triple fire. Since newly manufactured machine pistols are NOT legal for sale to private citizens in the US Sig Sauer increased the length of the sear engagement surfaces to insure that they couldn't double of triple fire under any circumstance of use.

Personally I don't shoot my P229 very much and part of the reason is the creepy trigger. It actually bothers me enough that I've actually thought about sending the pistol in to Sig Sauer and having it converted to the older non SRT trigger. However, I've found that the basic platform cycles so smoothly that it's actually a bit boring to shoot. The P239 on the other hand is not the least bit boring, it's a bit of a rip snorting sort of pistol that lets you know you've sent a sizzler downrange. For that reason I'll also tell you that IMO the SRT trigger is rather useless in the 40 caliber P239. While it's not a beast in terms of recoil there is enough muzzle flip that you won't recover the target quickly enough to see any benefit from the shorter reset. BTW, with practice I've been able to get down to a 0.22 second split with the P229 while holding within a 7 inch sticker at 10 yards. With my P239 my best effort to date for that same group size is a 0.33 second split. Ammo used in both instances was Federal Champion 180 grain and the shot timer used was a CED 7000.
 
A buddy I work with has a Sig 226 he bought new back in 2012/2013 has close to 500 rds on it now and a stock trigger. I had him shoot some of my 3rd gens today. Started him on my 3906 and got him to my 5906 before the hr and a half in the cold told us it was time to go. He was extremely impressed with the trigger reset, how well they handled, and surprised at the prices I paid for my smiths vs his.
 
I have a P229 Elite Stainless with the SRT and the reset is short, about 1/8 inch from trigger against the frame. With the installation of some type of trigger stop you could probably get it down to about 3/32 inch. However the DA trigger pull has never smoothed out to the level of the non SRT trigger on my P239 and from what I've heard a gritty trigger is one of the tradeoffs for the SRT.

The other tradeoff is a lot more obvious and that is a LOT of Sear Creep. It's long enough that I actually took the time to measure the full length of the Sear Creep and it's a whopping 0.070 inch. Compare that to my P239 and the Sear Creep on that non SRT pistol measures at a revolver like 0.018 inch. Yeah, the Sear Creep is darned near 4 TIMES as long as on the non SRT trigger. The reason for that is that during development of the SRT trigger Sig discovered that if the shooter "rode the reset point" the weapon could double or triple fire. Since newly manufactured machine pistols are NOT legal for sale to private citizens in the US Sig Sauer increased the length of the sear engagement surfaces to insure that they couldn't double of triple fire under any circumstance of use.

Personally I don't shoot my P229 very much and part of the reason is the creepy trigger. It actually bothers me enough that I've actually thought about sending the pistol in to Sig Sauer and having it converted to the older non SRT trigger. However, I've found that the basic platform cycles so smoothly that it's actually a bit boring to shoot. The P239 on the other hand is not the least bit boring, it's a bit of a rip snorting sort of pistol that lets you know you've sent a sizzler downrange. For that reason I'll also tell you that IMO the SRT trigger is rather useless in the 40 caliber P239. While it's not a beast in terms of recoil there is enough muzzle flip that you won't recover the target quickly enough to see any benefit from the shorter reset. BTW, with practice I've been able to get down to a 0.22 second split with the P229 while holding within a 7 inch sticker at 10 yards. With my P239 my best effort to date for that same group size is a 0.33 second split. Ammo used in both instances was Federal Champion 180 grain and the shot timer used was a CED 7000.


That original SRT sig design sounds desirable to anyone who isn't a lawyer or a thug.

And it wouldn't be a machinegun as defined by NFA. So it wouldn't be illegal. But it would likely result in the injury or an inexperienced shooter trying to take advantage of the ultra short reset.

I had a 1911 with a trigger that short and sensitive. It was great. Doubles were inperceptable unless they could hear the two pieces of brass bouncing on the pavement. But it wasn't easy to get off more than 3 in such a manner without bracing the gun against something to essentially "bump fire" it, which I wasn't comfortable exploring much. But there was no way it was going to act like a Mac 10 or SWD-11/9. But a rapid double? No prob.
 
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I have a 3914 that surely has a great trigger ;
Short but crisp reset.
As for the Sigs, I own a 1991 P228 and a near new M11a1. First off, the m11a1 is NOT a 228, it is a 229.
The trigger of my old P228 is as good as the SRT of the m11a1.

I don't think that you can compare the Sigs to a 3rd Gen..... Both have great triggers, but both different.
 
Both resets are very short. The biggest difference I've noticed is in the DA pull. The DA on my 3rd gens roll like a revolver. My P229 DA feel like launch control in a Ferrari. Once I hit about 10 lbs of pressure, the whole trigger, the gun goes bang. You can't pull it half way and back off. If you put enough pressure on that trigger to move it, it will go bang and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
 
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