Marvel Unit vs Model 41

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I am considering an accurate 22 for bullseye. I think I have it narrowed between a Model 41 and a Marvel Conversion unit on a 1911. The Marvel Unit guarantees an accuracy of 5 shots less than an inch at 50 yards.

Questions:
Does anyone have both and compare and contrast the two?
Is a Model 41 a less than one inch gun at 50 yards?

The 41 sure is prettier but the Marvel is cheaper and guaranteed very accurate.

Thanks.
 
I think you may be better off with the M41 as its a real designated target pistol and does not require a sepperate frame to use it on as well. I agree with Old Cop on the trigger issue as well.
 
Having had both, there is no doubt in my mind that the Marvell is every bit as accurate, (perhaps even more accurate), as the 41. The test target supplied with my Marvell No. 1 unit showed a 50 yard, 10 round machine rest group of 5/8" and that was with a spoiler flyer. Without that flyer the 9 shot group became a .5" group! This was an original production unit from Nebraska and I have no experience with the Nelson unit yet. the originals did have Shilen barrels while the Nelson units are beautifully machined by McMillen but use unknown to me barrels. Pick your poison.
 
Several Bullseye Shooters have been using conversion kits on their 1911 frames for many years, now. Some of the very top BE shooters use conversion kits. The trigger can be worked down to the desired weight by a competent gunsmith.
Accuracy - I don't know which is best. I shoot a 41 with a Clark barrel for BE competition.
 
Not sure that you could get a 1911 trigger down to 2.5 pounds for gallery, certainly not cheaper if you don't have a 1911 frame. Just my opinion.

Well I have several nice 1911s. So that is not an issue. And one of them breaks less than 2.5 ponds now but it is a high capacity frame so not the best for bullseye. If I go the Marvel route then I would eventually probably buy a designated frame. So cheaper in the short run but not long run probably.
 
Having had both, there is no doubt in my mind that the Marvell is every bit as accurate, (perhaps even more accurate), as the 41. The test target supplied with my Marvell No. 1 unit showed a 50 yard, 10 round machine rest group of 5/8" and that was with a spoiler flyer. Without that flyer the 9 shot group became a .5" group! This was an original production unit from Nebraska and I have no experience with the Nelson unit yet. the originals did have Shilen barrels while the Nelson units are beautifully machined by McMillen but use unknown to me barrels. Pick your poison.

Appreciate your input! Now I am more confused though. Marvel still has a site here: MARVEL PRECISION. And there is a Nelson site here: Nelson Custom Guns

The Marvel runs about $60 more and I have heard a lot of good things about them. Also heard some good things on the bullseye forum about the Nelson. Are they not different companies?
 
I have a 41 and it is a really nice pistol with a great trigger and the grip fits my had very well. The nice thing about the conversions is that you can have a gun that is almost identical with a 1911 45 and some people (who are much, much better shots than I am) find that very helpful. My thought would be that I would compare the costs of a dedicated frame that has been worked over including the trigger and the conversion parts as well and then go from there. I don't think you can go wrong either way. Almost forgot, if it matters I would think the 41 will have better resale value.
 
I have a Model 41 as well as a Nelson 1911 conversion that I put on a stainless colt Government.

Accuracy aside (both are very), what I want to add is that the trigger feel and weight between the two are very different from each other.
The 41 is probably a more suitable "target" pistol while the 1911/.22LR conversion would be preferred if you want to duplicate the feel of a 1911 for perhaps training purposes, or if you just like the feel of the 1911.
 
I have and shoot both. I purchased a new Marvel Unit 1 in August. I purchased the steel slide lock back version and as the name applies it locks the slide back on a empty magazine. It’s the only offering from Marvel that does lock the slide open. Mine came with a test target button that showed the barrel shot a 5 shot group a 50 yards of .567”. I currently have it mounted on a Norinco M1911A1 frame. To say I’m happy would be an understatement. Fit and finish was perfect. Mine was tested with CCI SV ammunition and it functions flawlessly with it. I prefer the grip angle of the 1911. The Model 41 is a fine pistol but I can shoot the Marvel better. Since purchasing the Marvel, I’ve added a Vortex Venom reflex sight to its weaver rail. It’s a fantastic .22 Conversion Unit.
 
I agree with Decker. I have both guns, an older 41 and a Nelson on a dedicated frame. I have not shot the Nelson from a Ransom, on my list to do, but I'll bet it shoots as well as the 41. That being said, I can shoot the 41 better in Bullseye competition although my Nelson has a 3# trigger. The Nelson really shines in Steel Challenge. To me, they both have their place.
 
I have a Nebraska Marvel conversion... friend had a 41... have shot both side by side... as stated before hard to tell the difference as far as accuracy... trigger and "feel" is different between them and is a matter of preference... and my friend ended up with a Marvel too... sorry if that is of no help whatsoever... but I preferred the Marvel... and I like my 422's, just never "needed" a 41...
 
Hmm.

Well, let's start. Marvel and Nelson aren't the same company. Marvel Precision hasn't been Bob Marvel in a very long time. Larry Nelson makes a solid conversion unit, designed by Bob Marvel. I like mine a lot, but all the "Marvel" conversion makers have their fans.

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There are seven in the 10-ring. The bottom three were shooter error. The Nelson is plenty accurate.

The 41 is fairly accurate as well, though I don't think quite as much as the conversions. Although for the record, the "accuracy guarantee" is worth the paper test target is printed on. Frankly, I think they're full of it most of the time. It doesn't matter what kind of group the upper printed that one time, back when we made it. All that matters is what it's actually going to shoot, with ammo you'd actually buy, in your own hand. And that's assuming they're not just lying.

Which is better for you? Dunno. The 41 is cheaper once you put the conversion on a dedicated frame. The 1911 can take a roll trigger (difficult to shoot well with, but a superb training device). The 41 uses steel mags that are durable until you drop them. The conversion uses wither steel GSG mags (ew) or plastic mags that don't care if you drop them, but eventually won't lock back the slide.

I don't think there's a really meaningful difference--a good shooter is going to shoot well with either. I think it's really about picking the one you have confidence in. The only other thing is that conversion-1911s can be really tricky to diagnose and get running perfectly. But once you do, they flawless. I think I'm approaching 1500 rounds since my last cleaning, with just two failures to fire. One was a confirmed due round, never did get it to fire.

Troystat said:
Almost forgot, if it matters I would think the 41 will have better resale value.

The popular conversions all generally resell for 100% of purchase price in as-new condition. These are very small companies making the things, and a 6-8 week backorder is quite common.
 
You might also look into an Advantage Arms conversion kit for a 1911. They sure look like a copy of the Marvel kit and function like one too - even hold the slide back on an empty magazine. I bought one years ago after considering a Marvel but a call to Advantage Arms convinced me to try their kit for a lot less than the Marvel. And I'm glad I did as it is very accurate.

If you search for "Advantage Arms 1911 Conversion Kit," you'll find not only the link to their site but also independent videos of folks testing one of their kits.

Ed
 
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