Model 52-2 with 9MM slide & bbl.

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A friend at the gun club has offered Me a 52-2 with an experimental 9MM slide and a couple of different barrels. Said it was given to Him by a S&W employee that was in R&D or some such department. Has marked magazines and all the 52 stuff also. Any ideas on the validity of this and if legit, ideas on value. After I shoot it of course.
 
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Does it also come with the original .38 Wadcutter top end or no? (Maybe it never had one...?)

As to validity, ANYTHING is totally possible. I would definitely want to see pictures and a serial number range and hear more details and even some name-drops if I were trying to come up with an argument for validity.

As the the idea of 9mm through a 52, we have discussed this a few times and there are a couple points I would make...

It will be my position that a 9mm target gun is a lot easier to find ammo for than a .38 Wadcutter and it will hold more rounds but it’s my firm position that nobody is going to alter a 52 to make it shooter 9mm more accurately than it would with .38 Wadcutter unless it’s some absolute craftsman genius and if he can do it for less than a couple two or three grand, let me see it! :D And before we forget, I really want to know about the magazines this pistol will be using. That’s a side discussion that matters.

And it cannot be ignored — but the S&W Performance Center did a pretty great job of (somewhat, nearly) doing this project and the result is the Models 952, 952-1 and 952-2. And I own two of them and neither will do on paper what both of my 52-2’s will do, at least not without some magical ammunition elixir that I have not yet discovered.

952’s are phenomenal but if you HAVE one, don’t race a 52-2 for pink slips unless your junk gets hauled around in a dump truck.

These are merely my opinions! ;)
 
Oops, value.

If the 9mm stuff is added and at it’s worst you have a complete original 52-2 with .38 slide and barrel and a magazine or two, I can help with market price/“value” of that. The 9mm additives are a shot in the dark for what is likely to be one-off parts that are custom made.

If I were in your shoes and the guy can bring it to a range and you can try both .38 and 9mm out of it, I’d be pretty excited at the range trip. My opening dollar would be based squarely on the known stuff — the original .38 setup. I’d be working upward in $$ from that point.
 
Two weeks ago a friend of mine bought a 52 .38 Special Wadcutter pistol. It came with a Model 39 upper in 9 MM. The previous owner had been on the Illinois State Police Officer who had been on their pistol team. Nice piece and it shoots very well with the 52 upper on it. Not as well with the 39 upper.
 
My friend said that once I shoot the 9MM I won't go back to the 38WC as it is that accuraste. The gun has both uppers + xtra barrels and mags. As soon as I get it I will post pics as I am as curious also. Could be a month out, but I am trying for sooner. Thank for Your responses, much appreciated.
 
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Does it also come with the original .38 Wadcutter top end or no? (Maybe it never had one...?)

As to validity, ANYTHING is totally possible. I would definitely want to see pictures and a serial number range and hear more details and even some name-drops if I were trying to come up with an argument for validity.

As the the idea of 9mm through a 52, we have discussed this a few times and there are a couple points I would make...

It will be my position that a 9mm target gun is a lot easier to find ammo for than a .38 Wadcutter and it will hold more rounds but it’s my firm position that nobody is going to alter a 52 to make it shooter 9mm more accurately than it would with .38 Wadcutter unless it’s some absolute craftsman genius and if he can do it for less than a couple two or three grand, let me see it! :D And before we forget, I really want to know about the magazines this pistol will be using. That’s a side discussion that matters.

And it cannot be ignored — but the S&W Performance Center did a pretty great job of (somewhat, nearly) doing this project and the result is the Models 952, 952-1 and 952-2. And I own two of them and neither will do on paper what both of my 52-2’s will do, at least not without some magical ammunition elixir that I have not yet discovered.

952’s are phenomenal but if you HAVE one, don’t race a 52-2 for pink slips unless your junk gets hauled around in a dump truck.

These are merely my opinions! ;)

Try these 150 gr LSWC:

09mm 150GR SWC .356 - 1000 count

They work great in my 952 as long as I don't use mixed brass as accuracy suffers. They shoot just as good as anything in my 52 did.
 
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My friend said that once I shoot the 9MM I won't go back to the 38WC as it is that accuraste. The gun has both uppers + xtra barrels and mags. As soon as I get it I will post pics as I am as curious also. Could be a month out, but I am trying for sooner. Thank for Your responses, much appreciated.

Buy the gun, not the story. Testing it out would be your best and safest bet! If you do pick it up please post pictures so we can dissect it!
 
RGPM1A;
What is your load data for the 150gn LSWC bullets you refer to? Do they shoot as "soft" as .38 full wadcutter loads in a 52?
Thanks in advance;
Mike
 
RGPM1A;
What is your load data for the 150gn LSWC bullets you refer to? Do they shoot as "soft" as .38 full wadcutter loads in a 52?
Thanks in advance;
Mike

150gr Meister LSWC over 3.5 grains of Power Pistol in Winchester case and Federal Primer. OAL 1.120", 870 FPS. They have a bit more recoil than my Hornady 148gr HBWC over 3.3 of Win 231 loads for the 52 going at 780fps. I always preferred slightly faster loads for bullseye because of less reliability issues when the gun got dirty. Also I liked the faster cycling of the slide which for me (at least in my opinion) made up for my sometimes sloppy follow through.
 
52-2 9MM prototype

Mentioned this gun a couple of weeks ago. Got it today. It's a 52-2 ser#A237437 ( DOB please). Has the 38 wadcutter bbl and slide. The 9MM slide looks like a 52 slide with the machining marks still on it. Has a 52 front and rear sight. Has barrels marked Bar-Sto 9MM P. Three like this. 5 inch, 5 1/2, and 6, all marked alike and also a like marked 38 super. Bar Sto claimed They didn't make these. Gentleman I got it from said it came from a smith working on the 952 project. He's had this over 20 years and said He got it from this smith at a large trade show or Shot Show. I'll be taking pictures and posting this coming week. Just hope I can get good ones.
 
52-2 9MM prototype pics

Here are pictures of the 52-2 9MM prototype. Anyone with input is more than welcome.
 

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More pics. Any input appreciated.
 

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I will tell you that BarStow did in fact make 39 barrels at one time. 9mm, I had one that I returned in exchange for one in 9x21 in 1983.
 
dave1918a2, That is really neat set up, and likely unique. I remember when Barsto used to make barrels for S&Ws. Reference the 38 Super barrel, I was once shooting at a public range. The shooter next to me was shooting a model 52. We chatted about his 52, and the fact he was shooting 38 Super ammunition. IIRC, he was using the factory 38 WC barrel. The magazine was long enough to allow the 38S ammo he was using, and the 38S semi-rim was enough to headspace the round. I didn't notice any malfunctions. But having a barrel actually chambered for 38S is way beyond what that gentleman had.
 
It's pretty evident by the finish (still machine marks all over) that is is a tool room piece, probably a prototype, or a Lunch Box Gun a custom shop member built up. Nice piece.
 
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