Grease or oil

This! The 3rd Gen guns with alloy frames are different than even the 3rd Gen all steel guns. In addition to BB57, the other people whom I consider 3rd Gen gurus (BMCM, Fastbolt, our late friend 18DAI) all recommended very light coatings of very light grease.

I use either Lubriplate 105 or Lubriplate FMO spray for the tops of the frame rails, the lugs, and the "bell" at the end of the barrels.



I was taught to use oil if it rotates and greaseif it slides - with a couple common sense caveats.

Grease first.

On a semi auto like an M1, M1A, BM-59, M1 Carbine, Mini-14, etc there are specific points that call for grease. And most of those points have shiny spots on them. On those above rifles, it’s:

- the roller on the bolt;
- the recess for that lug or roller in the slide;
- the square retainer lug on the back of the slide;
- that shiny spot on the back of the bolt where it contacts the top of the receiver;
- the shiny spot on the bottom of the op rod where it contacts the bottom of the barrel; and
The shiny curved section of the hammer.

But you don’t have to remember that because if it’s shiny it gets a light coat of grease.

As noted above no manufacturer seems to recommend grease on slide rails. However, pistols like the 1911 like to run wet and pistols with aluminum allow frames absolutely need to run wet to keep the steel slide from excessively wearing the aluminum frame rail.

That leaves you with the option of using a sufficient amount of oil to keep the rails wet, and if it’s not slinging oil at you when it cycles the first few times it probably isn’t enough.

However, you also have the option of using a thin coat of grease. Here in the south, grease is my go to lubricant for frame and slide rails, the locking lug detents, and a light shine of grease on the guide rod. That gives me long lasting, non dripping, holster and concealed carry friendly lubrication.

This is where some common sense is required. I live in the south now, but grew up in the frozen north and spent about half my adult years there. When it’s -20 F, grease can be a problem. So can many higher viscosity oils. That’s one of the few places and times where I think CLP is a good choice. Rem oil isn’t bad either given it’s low viscosity. Even here on NC when it gets down near freezing in the winter, lightly grease slide rails can start to cause malfunctions in some pistols as slide velocity is reduced.

Even on a bolt action rifle, if I was going to grab a white sheet and go out on skis to hunt coyotes, I disassembled the bolt, cleaned all the grease and oil off it and the firing pin, and then very lightly oiled it with CLP, and only used a very thin coat of grease on the bolt cocking/camming surfaces. I’d usually do that at the onset of winter and call it good.

Too much grease is also a bad idea as it can hold onto any grit it comes in contact with.

What kind of grease? There’s nothing wrong with Tetra or Rig.

Mil-spec rifle grease is fine, but it’s not “better” just because it’s mil-spec. At the time that specification was adopted the primary consideration was resistance to washing off. Any lithium grease you find at the local auto parts store will exceed that specification and they will all provide equal or better lubrication.

That said I use military rifle grease as I bought a few cans way back in the day when they were dirt cheap and that supply will outlast me.

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Now let’s talk about oil.

For general lubrication I like Rem Oil. It’s thin, gets where it needs to be and doesn’t gunk up if it gets where it shouldn’t be, and offers a reasonable degree of rust protection.

I’m not a CLP fan as it’s pretty volatile (it’s a cleaner as well) and once it dries down, it offers very little protection. I generally regard CLP as declining in performance in that same letter order.

In the military I landed squarely between wars and in the transition from the M16A1 to the M16A2, the 1911A1 to the M9, and from LSA to CLP. All of those were in my opinion moves in the wrong direction.

CLP worked only because we put it on regularly and pretty liberally. There were folks later on who advocated running the M16 almost dry as oil would attract grit. It was a nice thought, but the M16/M4 likes to run wet. You just need to pop the rear pin, pull the bolt, wipe it and the inside of the upper receiver and then relube it - every time you get the chance and or get sand in it.

For long term rust protection neither CLP nor Rem oil works all that well as both dry out and don’t leave much of a protective film. Hoppes Gun Oil on the other hand does fine, even here in hot and humid eastern NC. It leaves a good protective coat that will last for several months. Try not to get too much in the internal parts of the gun however.

For my concealed carry handguns, I’ll lube the internals with rem oil and then wipe down the outer surfaces with a patch with Hoppes Gun oil on it.

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Please note that Hoppes Gun Oil and Hoppes No. 9 are not the same product. Hoppes No 9 is a powder and copper solvent and provides absolutely no rust protection once it dries out. In fact it usually removes any oil and grease as well and acts as a degreasing agent in the long term.
 
The owner's manuals for my guns call for oil.
I get wanting to love your toy and give it super powers. Been there, done that.
Heavier oil for the Harley, grease for the gun, etc.
Lately it has occurred to me the maker may know more than I do.
 
Lots of good ideas here, especially the post from BB57...kinda spells it all out.

I always believed that no one could know more about the subject than a: the manufacturer(s) and b: the United States Army..with all their Generals on down, experts in every field, backed by zillions of taxpayer dollars to research the best and final methods for anything.

So...went a did a little research this morning into my various FM's, TM's and official new knighted states governmint pubs, a little cut-paste & scan and you can see below: 1914 manual on the model 1911..only mention of grease is a cosmic pot...to be used for cosmic.:D The you see 1940...oil only no more grease, cosmic or not. The 1964 now MUST get oil. Then the M1 Garand (1965) with the grease points pictured and labelled..so they are serious.

Lastly...question for BB57...your location is North Carolina, so I would think a connection to the USS North Carolina (BB55) rather than BB57 (USS South Dakota) or does your avatar not referencing any of these majestic battlewagons?

Anybody ever in Wilmington NC, take the tour...well worth it.

I was born and raised in South Dakota (BB57) and only came to NC after doing a PCS to DC in 2007 and then getting to NC as soon as humanly possible.

My wife is from NC so I’ll probably stay here for retirement.
 
Lastly...question for BB57...your location is North Carolina, so I would think a connection to the USS North Carolina (BB55) rather than BB57 (USS South Dakota) or does your avatar not referencing any of these majestic battlewagons?

Anybody ever in Wilmington NC, take the tour...well worth it.

Oil vs. grease?

Covered, ad nauseum, here and elsewhere.

Yes, Charlie.

Took the Battleship North Carolina tour a few years ago with my Dad when he was living in NC.

It was much more "in depth" than the tour of the Battleship Missouri when I was in Honolulu with my family in 2000, although, to be fair, it was relatively new for touring then and it might be better now.

John
 
what kind of oil; what kind of grease ? there are all kinds with both. I like the grease that thick.
 
what kind of oil; what kind of grease ? there are all kinds with both. I like the grease that thick.

That's a minefield and everyone swears they know the correct and only answer :)

I'm currently using Remoil as a gun oil just because I stumbled into a large amount of it several years ago dirt cheap. I've read a few here that like it, but I've read on other forums that it's the devil's brew. One guy said his gunsmith said Remoil and WD-40 ruined firearms. I've haven't had any problems with it, but I haven't had any problems with any gun oil. But I don't neglect my firearms. I do like grease on gun rails though :)
 
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Oil vs. grease?

Covered, ad nauseum, here and elsewhere.

Yes, Charlie.

Took the Battleship North Carolina tour a few years ago with my Dad when he was living in NC.

It was much more "in depth" than the tour of the Battleship Missouri when I was in Honolulu with my family in 2000, although, to be fair, it was relatively new for touring then and it might be better now.

John

I visited the Missouri three years ago. They were still renovating areas of the deck, replacing the old thicker teak with a waterproof underlay and teak about 1” thick.

Access was still however very limited.

I saw the USS Alabama when I was there for a review and it was much more accessible. Being a South Dakota class battleship was a plus.

I need to get up to see the Wisconsin since it’s close.
 
That's a minefield and everyone swears they know the correct and only answer :)

I'm currently using Remoil as a gun oil just because I stumbled into a large amount of it several years ago dirt cheap. I've read a few here that like it, but I've read on other forums that it's the devil's brew. One guy said his gunsmith said Remoil and WD-40 ruined firearms. I've haven't had any problems with it, but I haven't had any problems with any gun oil. But I don't neglect my firearms. I do like grease on gun rails though :)

WD40 isn’t really a lubricant or a preservative, it’s a loosening agent and moisture displacer. It eventually evaporates and leaves almost no protection for the metal.

Rem Oil is a lubricant and a good one, but it’s also pretty volatile and doesn’t have the long lasting protection of a more viscous oil.

Interestingly the oil from sperm whales was widely used in the pat and it was unusual in being an effective. Thin lubricant that worked well with small parts and tight tolerances, but also offered long lasting rust protection.
 
You usually can't go wrong following the manufacturers instruction booklet that came with the gun. If used and no instructions came with a gun, they are easily found online.

Once in a while I will use something other than what the manufacturer recommends but that would only be for a specific reason on a specific day. For the most part I use oil. I grease mainly old rifles that call for grease.
 
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