1,000 yard target with the 929

[Riccur]

Ok riddle me this:.

#1 How accurate would his pistol be at 25 yards held securely in place and fired at the exact POA for 5 shots? Would we expext a single hole, absolutely no way to tell there were multiple shots fired?

#2 Now shoot the same gun off-hand even for Jerry?

#3 Now move the whole rig out to 50 yards and answer the same questions.

#4 Time to move to 100 yards.

Just think MOA.

Now push it out to the 1000 yard range. There is no amount of practice that can allow any man to reliably hit that target at that range just due tothe fact that you would never be able to know where to aim to make up for the inaccuracy of the gun itself. So in a million practice shots you will never get better at the shot. You will never ever be able to pick up the gun and say I am good enough to hit it now on this shot.

So if he hit it it was dumb luck and I would imagine there are hours of film out there to catch this shot.

 

[old&slow]

I met and talked to the man in 2005 at the S&W factory and he put on a shooting demo.

During the shooting demo he did six shoots in about a second with a 38 spl. then asked the crowd if any one would bet that he couldn't do 12 shots in one second. No one was stupid enough to take him up on the bet..

He picked up two K frames , one left hand ,, one right and dumped 12 rounds down range ,, and on target I might add.

He also did his 6 shots , reload , 6 shots out of a 625, don't know if it was a 3 second run or not, but it was in a very short period of time. The target wasn't that far away , maybe 5 yds. , but the group was about the size of a grapefruit.

Seemed like a very nice person ,, and a amazing shot..

1000 yds. is a long ways ,, But I sure as heck wouldn't bet any money I wasn't willing to loose, betting against him..

 

[Fackler Rebel]

I would take that bet all day long or until he ran out of ammo. 5 bucks a shot, he misses I get the fiver, he hits I give him a fiver. I would be wishing that he could shoot 100 rounds every 15 minutes, then I would need someone to help carry the loot.

Reb

 

[rwsmith]

My point....

Hate to be the skunk at the garden party but I bet he took hundreds of shots before making that video.

My point exactly. He didn't just walk out there and make that shot. Also, he may have filmed himself shooting a cylinderfull several times until he got it right. I doesn't take away from what he did. With all the cheating there is I couldn't come close to making that shot. Dang, I have trouble seeing at 100 yards.

 

[Old TexMex]

J.M. Took WAY more than a hundred shots before makin' that one, no doubt, like millions. Over many, many years.
At 1000 yds, to aim 250 ft above a target at 4 ft, the muzzle angle is almost imperceptable. He's on a rise, and the Earth is......round.

 

[1blindref]

meh, let's see him do it with a J-frame. Then I'll be impressed

 

[Arik]

meh, let's see him do it with a J-frame. Then I'll be impressed

Yes! Cause I can do that with both hands tied behind my back!

 

[S&WIowegan]

I would take that bet all day long or until he ran out of ammo. 5 bucks a shot, he misses I get the fiver, he hits I give him a fiver. I would be wishing that he could shoot 100 rounds every 15 minutes, then I would need someone to help carry the loot.

Reb

But the really unbelievably amazing thing is he didn't shoot single action, right Reb?

 

[Fackler Rebel]

Yea didn't want to mention that and have that flack come down about how DA is just as accurate as SA.

Reb

Guess that it is a good thing all those early pioneers didn't know SA was any good against hostile Indians and bad guys.

 

[1blindref]

Yes! Cause I can do that with both hands tied behind my back!

... with my eyes closed!

 

[brucev]

Once upon a time I think in the summer of 1990 I pulled in off I-75 at a Waffle House to get a bite to eat and just rest a bit. While waiting on my order I noticed a man walk who looked vaguely familiar. In a moment I realized he was Allen Fulford who did fairly well at match shooting in that era. I asked if he'd like to set at the table with me and he was kind enough to sit down. We had a nice time eating our hamburger plates and talking about shooting. I remember him saying that he fired hundreds of rounds daily in practice. He also mentioned extensive dry-fire practice that helped him prepare for the various types of matches in which he regularly participated. At that time I was handloading about 500 rd. of nice .45 ACP SWC's weekly which I shot at steel plates at 50-75 yds. He gave me some helpful pointers. Wish there'd been internet, etc. back then. He was a grand man. In all of that conversation so long ago there was no sense that he felt any need to prove anything to anyone. He was the genuine article one hundred percent through and through.

I've not ever met Jerry, but I've read numerous articles by and about him, I've watched numerous videos and I've listened to what others have to say about him. Not once has there ever been any reason to think that he is out to prove himself to anyone. He is what he is, a consummate professional, rare to find in a world where so many are jaded by the constant self-promotion of those who so desperately seek attention. I applaud him.

 

[jaymoore]

Just think MOA.

Now push it out to the 1000 yard range. There is no amount of practice that can allow any man to reliably hit that target at that range just due tothe fact that you would never be able to know where to aim to make up for the inaccuracy of the gun itself. So in a million practice shots you will never get better at the shot. You will never ever be able to pick up the gun and say I am good enough to hit it now on this shot.

So if he hit it it was dumb luck and I would imagine there are hours of film out there to catch this shot.

No dumb luck at all. You watch (or your spotter) for bullet splashes in the dirt. Easy to see in dry conditions. I could see .45 ACP splashes at 300 on sandy/dusty ground with the naked eye if it was dry. So you walk it in with either sight changes or aiming point reference changes.

The target looks to be about 5 ft in height. 60 in. That's 6 MOA. Easy enough to see and aim at. And if the revolver is capable of 4-5 MOA at 100yds (I have more than one S&W that capable!) then even if you double or triple the size of the "beaten zone" at 1000yds it's likely one or two rounds will hit the steel plate somewhere in a cylinder full with someone like JM running it. That it happened on the second shot just makes it a tiny less probable. And bullet splash at impact does the rest for popping the balloon.

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[shipwreck2]

He did it get over it. he had a spotter to help him dial it in.

 

[Ashlander]

Virtuosos do amazing thingsaganini, Liszt, Rubenstein -- and Miculek.

 

[old&slow]

srv1 ,, The problem is: you posted a video of a amazing shot done by one of the best revolver shooters in the world.

Some of these folks probably have never seen or heard of shooters like Bob Munden, Tom Knapp, Jerry Miculek, Ed Mcgivern and others.

Some of these folks have never seen competition shooting , let alone actually shot in any competition.

Some of these folks probably don't shoot much and figure if they can hit a target the size of a refrigerator at point blank range with a handgun that's close enough.

So, I understand why some folks don't believe or understand How this shot could be real or possible.

And then there are the ones that know what they know, and don't want to be confused with facts,,

By the way I enjoyed the video.

 

[Whitens Moss]

Virtuosos do amazing thingsaganini, Liszt, Rubenstein -- and Miculek.

sounds like a law firm

 

[MrTrolleyguy]

He is, must be, from another planet!

 

[vipermd]

Quote{ old&slow} "And then there are the ones that know what they know, and don't want to be confused with facts"
I totally agree with you and believe they have been running our Country the last 6 Yrs!! Be Safe,

 

[jaymoore]

At the range yesterday and decided to mess about some. Here's a "Red Nine" C96. Lowest sight setting is 50m which impacted about 6" high at 25yd. Set on 500m it hit about 20in higher, relatively. (Had to aim at part of the target frame to stay on paper. So ~80MOA change. See how that fits into the theory those of you with the ballistic programs. (115gr fmj Magtech ammo.)

Hits high, but we're just looking for the MOA change between 50 and 500m settings!

Point of aim where the tape measure starts.

Accuracy not all that good this group, but again, just looking for changes.

Note that even when the sight is set at 500m, the pistol's barrel is just starting to become level with the ground. Most handguns point downhill at "normal distances"a wee bit at ignition, but rise in recoil to put holes where you want 'em...

Then, decided to see how tough it would be to get a rough initial (theoretical) 1000 yard zero at 25 yards. Didn't quite remember the drop, but guessed about 240MOA which would be 60" high at 25yd. Not too far off the computer model in an early post of 273MOA, which is just over 68" above POA at 25yd. Looking at Jerry Miculek's hold, it seemed like he was looking at the front sight top through the reddot. As it turns out, that works well, but without the special angled plate he used, you can't see the dot in the sight at all! So I just more or less centered the front ssight in the optic's window. (Verifiable by holding steady whilst moving the head down until the dot shows at the desired POI.) It's a horrible ghost ring sight, but usable if attention is paid to the overall sight picture. Aimed at the base of a target frame set at 25yds and had Measured heights marked on some paper to gage the amount of adjustment required. First two were a little low, but it was easy enough to get the next one a "little too high" (about right as it turns out!) The next two were at what I thought would be correct. So five rounds to establish what would be a usable start for getting on steel at 1000yds!

Point of aim was at the bottom crossbar of the target frame. Points of impact shown below using this rough and ready "proof of concept". Note that the red dot is well out of view!

Oh, BTW, the second five rounds expended (first try with the 500m setting) with the Red Nine went just over the target, probably by a couple of inches as I was aiming at the bottom of the paper.

 

[Paul105]

Real nice to see someone get out on the range to generate actual information. Love that old broom handle by the way.

You can also put me in the "believer" category -- just can't see any motivation for Jerry to make this up.

FWIW

Paul