110 grain jhp or 125 grain jhp

[agent00]

Thx again for the answers. I have done some furhter investigations on some only shops, and it would be also possibel to get some hornady 158 grain xtp rounds. What do you think about that stuff, good or bad?

 

[flop-shank]

XTPs tend to penetrate super deep. Usually too deep in my opinion.

 

[flop-shank]

Barrel lengths were 3 - 4" any difference from that won't make much difference. What does muzzle energy matter? Secondary fragmentation? Marshall & Sanow (and Ayoob has helped propagate this stuff) have really made a mess of self defense rounds and have never risen to any of the challenges others in their field have presented to them (I wonder why?). The 125 works very well as long as it gets there, which it occasionally hasn't done. Look, people's reactions to being shot are completely unpredictable; stopping power, energy dump, one shot stops etc is just nonsense.

Energy dump isn't nonsense. When handguns perform more like rifles (velocity and energy wise) their gunshots behave more like rifles. Look at the gruesome pictures in the link provided in the recent 5.56 ammo thread. All that was done by a 55 gr. bullet. I have seen an exit wound on a decent sized woodchuck that was a tear of approximately 5" long courtesy of my favorite carry revolver, a 5" 44. magnum.

Secondary fragmentation can affect a bullets performance greatly. Those frags can hit things the bullet never touched and could well cause a stop by piercing something vital. They will also increase blood loss. I've learned that bullets that fragment oftentimes have a smaller rec. dia. and by pushing a smaller front penetrate deeper.

 

[agent00]

XTPs tend to penetrate super deep. Usually too deep in my opinion.

I see. that sounds that the xtp would be an great hunting load. I will start hunting next year und so austria it possible to encounter wildboar, but an 158 grain jsp or an hardcast lead round would be still better for boar defense. Some hunters in my area even say that nothing less 44 mag should be used for boar defense... but I am still the opineon that the 357 mag should work with propper shot placement..

By the way I have already ordered some 125 grain remington jhps for defense.. They should arrive in 2 or 3 weeks.

 

[flop-shank]

I tested the .44 mag. 180 gr. XTP. Results are in the Perma-Gel thread. Also we've been discussing XTPs in the 180 gr. .44 magnum thread, as well as others if you do a search.

I'll let the hog hunters weigh in on what works for boar. Don't forget that 180 gr. .357s are available too.

 

[agent00]

I tested the .44 mag. 180 gr. XTP. Results are in the Perma-Gel thread. Also we've been discussing XTPs in the 180 gr. .44 magnum thread, as well as others if you do a search.

I'll let the hog hunters weigh in on what works for boar. Don't forget that 180 gr. .357s are available too.

Thx for the tipp. I will do a seach on the threads you have mentioned. And yes I knot that there are some decent 180 grain hunting loads in 357 mag available, I have only to check if i can get them here in austria. The winchester partition for example should be an good load. another intersting load would be the federal cast core bullet, but as I have allready mentioned I don't know if that stuff is avialable here in country, I hope so, if not I have to stick with an s&b or fioochi 158 grain softpoint or with the horady xpt.