15-22 as a home defense weapon?

[IcemanUSA]

With quality ammo and a clean firearm, why not? To an intruder all you have to do is brandish the thing and to most people it looks like an M16 so its most likely going to scare them off anyway. I don't think the intruder is going to ask to put and micrometer in your barrel to check if its a 22 or 223. They are going to be afraid of getting shot, most likely because they wouldn't have entered your home if they knew you had a gun and was ready to use it.

And what home intruder wears body armor?

People obsess about caliber, grain loads to use, hollow points, ect..

Im pretty sure when you shoot somebody it is as simple as; they hear a very loud bang or bangs and then they are going to feel an excruciating amount of pain and want to leave. Hes not going to ask you: "Hey was that a 9mm or high velocity .22?!"

Sorry about the rant but im getting sick of seeing some of the things said about 22s. When it comes to guns it isn't a pissing contest. All firearms no matter what size need to be respected.

 

[tomcatt51]

And what home intruder wears body armor?

The good ones.

All firearms no matter what size need to be respected.

Like the respect you're getting during a home invasion?

 

[CrazyFingers]

With quality ammo and a clean firearm, why not?

Because there is no rimfire .22LR ammunition that matches the reliability, muzzle velocity, penetration, expansion, or energy of quality centerfire 9mm, .40 S&W, .45ACP, 5.56 or .223 defensive ammunition (etc.) There just isn't.

To an intruder all you have to do is brandish the thing and to most people it looks like an M16 so its most likely going to scare them off anyway. I don't think the intruder is going to ask to put and micrometer in your barrel to check if its a 22 or 223. They are going to be afraid of getting shot, most likely because they wouldn't have entered your home if they knew you had a gun and was ready to use it.

Then why bother with an actual firearm for defense? Why not just cut the orange end off an Airsoft gun and save yourself a lot of cash?
You're recommending we bet our lives and those we love on what an armed intruder might do? That can be your plan. My plan is to put him down as quickly and surely as possible, not scare him into going away.

And what home intruder wears body armor?

None of them do, until one does. But that's not the important thing. Adequate penetration through heavy clothing, fat, muscle, and bone to reach a vital organ or a critical CNS component is.

People obsess about caliber, grain loads to use, hollow points, ect..

People who care about their own protection and the protection of their loved ones, and who understand the basics of terminal performance, yes.

Im pretty sure when you shoot somebody it is as simple as; they hear a very loud bang or bangs and then they are going to feel an excruciating amount of pain and want to leave. Hes not going to ask you: "Hey was that a 9mm or high velocity .22?!"

I thought all you had to do was show them something that looked like a gun and they'd faint on your living room floor. Which is it?

Sorry about the rant but im getting sick of seeing some of the things said about 22s. When it comes to guns it isn't a pissing contest. All firearms no matter what size need to be respected.

Of course they do, nobody said they don't. And obviously, if the 15-22 is all you have, you'd be a fool not to use it. Nobody is saying not to under those circumstances.
What we are saying is, there are far better choices for a defensive firearm and caliber than the 15-22 in .22LR, and the strawman arguments are getting tedious.

 

[IcemanUSA]

Like the respect you're getting during a home invasion?[/QUOTE]

Huh?

 

[timeighty5]

So..to sum it all up. If you feel safe using a 15-22 as a home defense weapon, do it. If you don't feel safe with it, then don't use it.

 

[tomcatt51]

Huh?

Yep, that sums it up. The concept of STOPPING a threat seems to allude you. Shooting someone with a .22LR is an iffy way of actually stopping an attack. They (.22LR) can be lethal but you have high odds of it being, in the short term, nuisance value only. Swinging your 15-22 like a baseball bat and hitting a perp in the head would likely do a better job of actually STOPPING his/her overt act(s).

 

[IcemanUSA]

Yep, that sums it up. The concept of STOPPING a threat seems to allude you. Shooting someone with a .22LR is an iffy way of actually stopping an attack. They (.22LR) can be lethal but you have high odds of it being, in the short term, nuisance value only. Swinging your 15-22 like a baseball bat and hitting a perp in the head would likely do a better job of actually STOPPING his/her overt act(s).

So you wouldn't mind being shot by a 22 at point blank since its so weak?

I know its iffy, but like I said to the other guy this thread is for a guy with a 15-22 so I gave him my opinions about 22 for HD, there are obviously better weapon choices. I woudn't recommend it either but that is what he has.

 

[IcemanUSA]

Because there is no rimfire .22LR ammunition that matches the reliability, muzzle velocity, penetration, expansion, or energy of quality centerfire 9mm, .40 S&W, .45ACP, 5.56 or .223 defensive ammunition (etc.) There just isn't.

****Some High Velocity 22 have more FPS then some of those pistols rounds.. Yes we understand they aren't as powerful that's a given..

Then why bother with an actual firearm for defense? Why not just cut the orange end off an Airsoft gun and save yourself a lot of cash?

****Maybe because an airsoft gun isn't a firearm and having a bullet available is a safer option. Many people have deterred intruders, muggings by just brandishing. Nutnfancy on youtube has a whole video about what happened to him.

You're recommending we bet our lives and those we love on what an armed intruder might do? That can be your plan. My plan is to put him down as quickly and surely as possible, not scare him into going away.

****My plan is getting my 9mm for because of reliability like you mentioned and I agree with, but this thread ISNT about 9mm or any other caliber that many have mentioned, its about a guy who wants an opinion for his 15-22. I knew my points would get flack but they are valid points for his particular case concerning question he asked.

None of them do, until one does. But that's not the important thing. Adequate penetration through heavy clothing, fat, muscle, and bone to reach a vital organ or a critical CNS component is.

****HV 22 goes through a 1/2" plywood at 300 yards.. Youtube



People who care about their own protection and the protection of their loved ones, and who understand the basics of terminal performance, yes.

****I care, and understand performance but once again this is about the 15-22 in a HD scenario. Not anything else.


I thought all you had to do was show them something that looked like a gun and they'd faint on your living room floor. Which is it?

****Look at glocks new commercial with the hot girl, that's exactly what happens And it depends on the situation, if a guy is walking out with my tv the first thing I do isn't going to be "putting him down". But if he was armed lets say with a crow bar with intent to hurt me then taking a shot seems more reasonable.

What we are saying is, there are far better choices for a defensive firearm and caliber than the 15-22 in .22LR, and the strawman arguments are getting tedious.

****Yes we know, but the thread is about a guy with a 15-22, not something else so I offered my opinions about that particular round and rifle. I knew I would get flack but I don't care. We all know there are better choices out there but unfortunately this thread isn't about those other choices.

 

[tomcatt51]

Yes we know, but the thread is about a guy with a 15-22, not something else so I offered my opinions about that particular round and rifle.

Too bad you didn't stop there but also blessed us with you "wisdom" on perps with body armor and obsessing over caliber etc and and loud bangs and how "all you have to do is brandish the thing and... its most likely going to scare them off". Maybe you should reread what you posted. It's post #141.

 

[IcemanUSA]

Too bad you didn't stop there but also blessed us with you "wisdom" on perps with body armor and obsessing over caliber etc and and loud bangs and how "all you have to do is brandish the thing and... its most likely going to scare them off". Maybe you should reread what you posted. It's post #141.

Yes, those are all qualities which a 22 rifle is capable of.. It can be presented, it goes bang, and it causes damage.

 

[030201_S&W]

Think about it as, " I was scarred for my life," and it, the .22 spoke several times and the perps dropped and have kicked for 10 minutes. It is the middle of the night and the family is out in the garage waiting for the police.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Enough....