15-22 Performance Center

[tacticool22]

The barrel nut could be loose. If the hand guard is flexing that much, remove the end cap and free float the barrel. You could even put an aluminum AR free float hand guard on.

 

[stevelee24]

Does the front end of the scope have visible clearance above the rail? I bought a Bushnell scope and mounted it on my MOE and could not get it to zero at 50 yds. It seems that the scope was touching the front of the rail and putting a tiny bit of upward tilt to the scope. New rings, zero no problem.

Hobie

yeah its on high scope mounts, im going to make a barrel tool check the barrel is not loose. im going free float the barrel also. and got a good scope on order so no excuses. il let you guys know the results. surley this gun is more accurate than this even though its not really a precise target shooter

 

[Dead eye 22]

OK, This may sound stupid, but being that this is the world wide web, I have to ask this question: Are you, by any chance the Steve Lee who sings "I Like Guns"?

 

[stevelee24]

OK, This may sound stupid, but being that this is the world wide web, I have to ask this question: Are you, by any chance the Steve Lee who sings "I Like Guns"?

haha no mate but ive been asked that before

 

[Dead eye 22]

Just did some testing last weekend. Made sure I was sighted in at 50 yds. Then shot some steel targets at about 50 and 80 yds. I use a NcStarscope with the P4 reticle. I first shot with my supporting hand holding the quad rail. Then I shot using the mag. As a support. I found that the gun shot lower when supported by the mag. I had to shoot using the 2nd tic mark below the cross hairs to hit the target at 80 yds. and I had to use the 1st tic mark down at the 50 yd. Target.
This is pretty much what I expected. Even with a full one piece stock you must rest the gun supported at the same place on the stock to acheave consistant results. This is especially true, however, when shooting any gun with a two piece stock (ie. The 15-22). Always shoot with the front of the gun supported from the same spot on the stock. It will go a long way to tighten up groups.
By the by, I shot a 3 shot group of 3/4 inch at 50 yds ( 36 gr. WW hp), and a 7/16 inch 5 shot group at 50 yds. Using federal Lightning 40 gr. Rn. Lead.


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[Dead eye 22]

On that 5 shot group, I mention to say 15/16 inch group ( typo).

 

[Morgan320i]

its more of a shooter thing the gun is very accurate i thought, i should fed bulk all day long and get close groups if your off by inches its you, with a scope and a bench u can blow out center targets all day at 50 yards, 100 yards there is a little drop but still accurate

 

[Grinder]

Bipods and accuracy don't normally go together.
Try sand bags

 

[CPTBeaker]

Bipods and accuracy don't normally go together.
Try sand bags

+1

I fired my 15-22 almost exclusively using a bipod the first couple of months I owned it. I was a little disappointed in the accuracy until I started trying various ammo brands, velocities, etc. Eventually I got sick of using the bipod and took it off and started to fire sandbag supported. I noticed an immediate improvement in consistency and group tightness.

Here's my theory...

With a bipod rigidly connected to the bottom rail of the handguard, adjusting the sight picture by simply moving the rifle was torquing the handguard left/right by varying amounts. Since the bipod feet were remaining stationary, the movement of the rear of the rifle was putting inconsistent stress on the handguard and in turn on the barrel.

At 50 & 100 yards, even a slight movement will be noticeable.

Using sandbags or another support will still place a small amount of upward torque on your barrel, but it will at least be consistent. Adjusting the sight picture by moving the rear of the rifle will no longer torque the handguard left/right because it won't be connected to anything and should be resting in your palm with an almost nonexistent grip.

That's my 2 cents...

 

[Argonnakid]

That is an interesting theory, but I think that it would not have that much pressure on the barrel as to effect the shot groups. And here is my reasoning, the 15-22 is pretty much a free floating barreled firearm. For example, you could remove and cut down the hand guard all the way to the last hole toward the recevier and then reinstall the appox. 1 in of hand guard. You have a fully free floated barrel. The hand guard has no direct affect on the barrel.

Not to say your style of shooting is doesn't work. Each one of us is our own person,

 

[CPTBeaker]

That is an interesting theory, but I think that it would not have that much pressure on the barrel as to effect the shot groups. And here is my reasoning, the 15-22 is pretty much a free floating barreled firearm. For example, you could remove and cut down the hand guard all the way to the last hole toward the recevier and then reinstall the appox. 1 in of hand guard. You have a fully free floated barrel. The hand guard has no direct affect on the barrel.

Not to say your style of shooting is doesn't work. Each one of us is our own person,

Unmodified, the handguard endcap touches the barrel and in effect is not free floated. The 15-22 is free floating if you remove or modify the handguard endcap(by enlarging the barrel hole so it has 360 deg clearance around the barrel). The torque effect and benefit of removing the endcap has been discussed and debated pretty heavily here on the forum in the past.

I think the 15-22 is more affected by handguard flex due to its polymer construction and smaller barrel diameter. An actual AR is rigid enough to be used in combination with a poncho to make a field expedient stretcher capable of supporting a grown man's weight, and survives without damage. I don't think a 15-22 would hold up to this. You would likely never see this torque affect on an actual aluminum AR platform. I don't think the polymer receiver, polymer handguard, and barrel attachment method are rigid enough to be free of flex...and it does not take much to affect a round at 50 & 100yds.

That being said I can achieve sub 1" groups at 100 yards off a bag with the 15-22, and cannot off a bipod. I'm not certain it has anything to do with flexing, but I like my theory just the same

 

[Argonnakid]

I don't think the polymer receiver, polymer handguard, and barrel attachment method are rigid enough to be free of flex...and it does not take much to affect a round at 50 & 100yds.
..................totally agree with you on that statement,,,,
That being said I can achieve sub 1" groups at 100 yards off a bag with the 15-22, and cannot off a bipod. I'm not certain it has anything to do with flexing, but I like my theory just the same
................that's pretty decent shooting, are you using just any ammo, mid-grade(cci), or match, ?
do you use a any type of rest with your sandbag?

 

[Dead eye 22]

I know that true snipers make sure that when useing a bipod, it is resting on a soft surface.

Rick Jamason, past shooting editor for Shooting Times mag. states that when bench shooting a rifle, ALWAYS rest the stock in the same place otherwise the point of impact will varry.

Now, how many shots were in those sub moa 100 yd. Groups, and what ammo do you use to acheave them? I have always felt that, as a hunter, 10 and even 5 shot groups are somewhat meaningless. Unless you are shooting prairie dogs you will never get that many shots in succession. I feel a 3 shot group from a cold barrel is the best indicator of what you can expect in the field - at least where hunting is concerned.

 

[CPTBeaker]

I don't think the polymer receiver, polymer handguard, and barrel attachment method are rigid enough to be free of flex...and it does not take much to affect a round at 50 & 100yds.
..................totally agree with you on that statement,,,,
That being said I can achieve sub 1" groups at 100 yards off a bag with the 15-22, and cannot off a bipod. I'm not certain it has anything to do with flexing, but I like my theory just the same
................that's pretty decent shooting, are you using just any ammo, mid-grade(cci), or match, ?
do you use a any type of rest with your sandbag?

CCI Mini-Mags, sandbags only under handguard, no butt-stock rest. However, I am using a CMC 3.5# trigger. I could not shoot groups that tight with the stock trigger.

 

[CPTBeaker]

I know that true snipers make sure that when useing a bipod, it is resting on a soft surface.

Rick Jamason, past shooting editor for Shooting Times mag. states that when bench shooting a rifle, ALWAYS rest the stock in the same place otherwise the point of impact will varry.

Now, how many shots were in those sub moa 100 yd. Groups, and what ammo do you use to acheave them? I have always felt that, as a hunter, 10 and even 5 shot groups are somewhat meaningless. Unless you are shooting prairie dogs you will never get that many shots in succession. I feel a 3 shot group from a cold barrel is the best indicator of what you can expect in the field - at least where hunting is concerned.

@ 100yds, 3 round group. CCI Mini-Mags. As far as an indicator of what I could expect hunting...don't really know because I obviously wouldn't shoot off a bag while hunting.

I've recently discovered CCI Standard Velocity & Remington Subsonic. At 50yds, the performance is outstanding ~ 3/4" groups are possible.

 

[Dead eye 22]

Ok, let me clairfy one point. I am not in any way implying that I can shoot as accurately in a hunting situation as I can from the bench. I mearly ment that the first 3 shots from a cold barrel gives me a realistic idea of what the rifle is capable of when I come upon game- ie the barrel will be cold and at most I may get 3 shots before the critter is gone. All else being equal, a 1 moa rifle gives me a better chance of hitting, say, a squirrel, than a 2 moa rifle. I, of course, would have to do my part in shooting as accurately as I can under field condictions.

 

[CPTBeaker]

I mearly ment that the first 3 shots from a cold barrel gives me a realistic idea of what the rifle is capable of when I come upon game- ie the barrel will be cold and at most I may get 3 shots before the critter is gone. All else being equal, a 1 moa rifle gives me a better chance of hitting, say, a squirrel, than a 2 moa rifle. I, of course, would have to do my part in shooting as accurately as I can under field condictions.

Completely agree.

 

[Argonnakid]

will agree with that statement too, firm believer in a first shot clean kill when in a hunting situation

 

[MarkBrumbaugh]

when zero from 10 yards we made it an inch high to allow the 1" drop from 50 yards. we then tried to zero from 30 yards and 50 yards nothing worked. went through about 100 rounds just trying.
my guess is the scope is junk, im going to try again with a better scope and hope theres a big improvement.

should the 15-22 be able to hit a soda can from 100 yards ?? is this something its well capable of on a regular basis or have i over estimated what this gun can do. thing is my primary use for it is hunting and when i bought it i thought that was something it was well capable of

That's not gonna work. If your scope is 2 3/4 inches above the barrel and you sight in at 10 yards, you will be about 8 inches high at 50, and 12 and climbing at 100.