15-22 vs 10-22 accuracy

[chuckAz]

Has anyone done a fair side by side comparison? I've got a 10-22 with a Nikon 2-7X and some Volquartsen trigger upgrades that I really like shooting. It's not a match gun but it shoots well. Got a big itch for one of these 15-22s and would like to hear how it stacks up to the 10-22 in the accuracy department from someone who has shot them back to back, from a bench, equal optics etc.

thanks!

 

[BELT_FED]

The 10/22 out of the box might me alittle more accu. I've got one 10/22 with so much extras id hate to add it up but its set up to put 5 shots in the same hole at 50 meters and once or twice it has pretty much done just that I've got another set up with a folding stock and a shortened and compensated barrel that is about the same as far as accu. goes as the 15-22... but to be honest I don't think either one of the rugers have been out of the safe more than once since I bought the 15-22.. they really are not comparable when it comes to the fun factor

 

[kenjen]

i have both, and i think my 15-22 shoots better then my 10-22, also the 15-22 is alot more fun to shoot. i then put about $500 into my 10/22, now it is a tack driver, but the 15-22 is still more fun to shoot

 

[Just another 22 shooter]

I have a box stock 10-22 and a Clark Custom. I would have to say that the 15-22 and the stock 1022 are pretty even in the accuracy department. Again, The 1022s aren't even close in the fun factor. I like all my guns to be as accurate as possible, but face it, The 15-22's fun factor outweighs any small differences in accuracy. I would love for Clark to do a make over on the 15-22 much like they did with the 1022. That would bee like supercharging a new Mustang GT.

 

[jsimmons]

I have a box stock 10-22 and a Clark Custom. I would have to say that the 15-22 and the stock 1022 are pretty even in the accuracy department. Again, The 1022s aren't even close in the fun factor. I like all my guns to be as accurate as possible, but face it, The 15-22's fun factor outweighs any small differences in accuracy. I would love for Clark to do a make over on the 15-22 much like they did with the 1022. That would bee like supercharging a new Mustang GT.

All we need is a match-grade barrel. Match-grade trigger sets are already available, and floating the forearm is easily accomplished with tacticool's barrel nut adapter. The only piece of the puzzle that's missing is the match-grade barrel.

 

[chuckAz]

What is it that makes this so fun to shoot compared to say the Ruger sr-22? Is it a brand thing? I've never really been drawn to the black rifle world until recently started thinking about a mini-14 which lead to maybe a modest AR-15 platform which lead to why not the AR platform in 22 for low cost shooting..

Should I restock the 10-22 with something tacticool and have at it or jump into the 15-22 world? (Duh, stupid question...of course get another gun)

 

[grimreaper21]

What is it that makes this so fun to shoot compared to say the Ruger sr-22? Is it a brand thing? I've never really been drawn to the black rifle world until recently started thinking about a mini-14 which lead to maybe a modest AR-15 platform which lead to why not the AR platform in 22 for low cost shooting..

Should I restock the 10-22 with something tacticool and have at it or jump into the 15-22 world? (Duh, stupid question...of course get another gun)

think you already answered your own question, plus most people here have already said the 10/22 isnt that much fun in comparison.

 

[Nightedger]

I have both. I have a 10/22T. It is the one with the heavy barrel. As far as a comparision goes, yeah, the 10/22 it more accurate but the 15-22 is a whole lot more fun to shoot. It is more of a plinker where as my 10/22 is more of a target model.

Apples and oranges in my case I suppose.

 

[Shooting Padre]

Accuracy or Fun

I have almost purchased a 10-22 several times. I have purchased a 15-22 once. Score, 10-22, 0, 15-22, 1. I don't know how much fun a 10-22 isn't to shoot, I know that the 15-22 is probably more fun than people should be allowed. Anyway, my inventory of .22 ammo was seriously depleted when I got the 15-22. But then I look at the bright side, on my many trips to the gun store to buy more ammo, I get to think about buying a 10-22 some more. But I don't. Don't get me wrong, I really like Ruger products, have a couple, but as far as .22's are concerned, I'm having a lot of fun and for a shaky 62 year old, it's accurate enough.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Depends on what you want and how you want to use it... and everyone has their own wants and likes.

If I wanted to shoot supported and was concerned with paper accuracy then the 15-22 would probably not be be among the first .22s I would pick, even among the "black rifle" (BR) .22s. However, I intended to use the 15-22 for blasting away at soda cans and shotgun shells from a standing position. For this, the 15-22 is tough to beat among the BR bunch because I wanted to dangle optics and stuff from the rails but didn't want to be holding a heavy rifle all day.

Example: The 10-22 SR22 weighs a whopping 6.5 pounds with no sights nor any rails on the forearm. In comparison, the 15-22 weighs only 5 pounds (no sights) and a quad rail. Add a couple rails to the SR22 forearm and you're getting close to 7lbs yet have nothing at all on the rifle including no sights.

Here's what I did with my rifle. I added...

MBUS (3oz)
Primary Arms Micro Dot and riser (6.5oz)
Kryptonyte laser (5.4oz)
Magpul AFG (3oz)

15-22 Rifle + all accessories (1.5lbs) = 6.5lbs..... (less than a stripped SR22 with a couple rails attached)

If your priorities are a lightweight AR platform then the 15-22 is the best choice, IMO. If BR accuracy is more important than weight and platform... then the SR22 and Sig522 are worthy of consideration. I would stay away from the Colt.

 

[smclaughlin13]

Pure fun.

I think you would be much more satisfied with the 15-22 just for the fun factor.Both guns are fun but the 15-22 is just more aggressive and a great conversation starter at the range. Plus you said you really weren't into this platform so I think it's a great way to get into it.

 

[rtquig]

I have both. Right out of the box the10/22 was more accurate and would fire any ammo put in. Having said that, since I bought the 15 22, I haven't taken the 10/22 to the range. As has been stated- the fun factor with the 15 22 is great.
I'm now trying to decide whether to get another 15 22 or the Sig 522.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

I'm now trying to decide whether to get another 15 22 or the Sig 522.

I have the Sig522 SWAT. Out of the box it shoots real well, very reliable and I love the trigger. It is a HEAVY 6.6lbs with no sights. The platform isn't much fun because there are no accessories other than rail attachments. But... one thing about the platform I really like is the height of the stock. It's nice it is to be able to mount optics without having to jack them up on risers.

 

[rtquig]

I started shopping around for a NJ compliant one today, not much luck seems more like an order item. I don't mind the wait, but as the weather turns cold, the less likely I'll head out to the range. As far as I can tell, they are selling between $400 - $500. without sites.

 

[Rustpot]

In my mind the 10/22 has 2 good looks going for it.

The M1carbine conversion stock, which looks awesome and is a solid trainer for high power rifle shooting. In my mind Ruger should buy the stocks and sell a factory version of this.

And a tactical sniper/trainer style. The 10/22 Tactical with Hogue stock and bull barrel from the factory with a scope and bipod is just a sweet shooter.

A modern carbine trainer the 10/22 is not. I would love either of the rifles above in .22Mag or .17HMR and my 15-22 would stay as a fun bullet-hose.

 

[arizona98tj]

All we need is a match-grade barrel.

Now that is funny for sure!

The 15-22 comes from S&W with a "Match Grade Precision Barrel". It says so right on the S&W web site!

 

[kenjen]

i still say my stock 15-22 was more accurate than my stock 10/22, but i must say that the 10/22 shot everything i fed it, and i didn't have to worry about parts flying off and sending it back to be fixed. the 10/22 is a very reliable gun and it is fun to shoot also. the 15-22 is deffenitly alot "cooler" looking...

 

[Rustpot]

i still say my stock 15-22 was more accurate than my stock 10/22, but i must say that the 10/22 shot everything i fed it, and i didn't have to worry about parts flying off and sending it back to be fixed. the 10/22 is a very reliable gun and it is fun to shoot also. the 15-22 is deffenitly alot "cooler" looking...

I've shot 3 15-22s and 5 10/22s, all 3 M&P rifles shot well with a few hiccups or perfectly in several hundred rounds. One Ruger was effectively a single shot from a back extractor, one likes to ram empty cases into the bore that need a screw driver to remove, one didn't like to feed every so often and the last 2 were smooth.

Funny how a Ruger with a problem is a lemon that slipped through QC or good enough for a plinker. Getting Ruger to fix it is like pulling teeth in some cases so the owners live with it.

A S&W with issues gets fixed with a smile by the company on their dime, but the rifle is junk, plastic garbage, not to be trusted.

We hear a lot about the bad rifles because people speak up about problems and seek places like these boards for solutions, but how many hundreds or thousands of problem free rifles has S&W sold?

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

A S&W with issues gets fixed with a smile by the company on their dime, but the rifle is junk, plastic garbage, not to be trusted.

We hear a lot about the bad rifles because people speak up about problems and seek places like these boards for solutions, but how many hundreds or thousands of problem free rifles has S&W sold?

Here is one poll with about 225 respondents.

The top line of 15% is the real number to look at. That's a sampling of respondents who came to the Forum having no problems with their rifle but then later experienced issues.

The second line of 70% is probably a little high cuz some of those respondents have had rifle issues after taking the poll.... so the top line number of 15% is probably a little low.

The bottom line of 15% are the folks you're talking about who came to the Forum looking for answers for their problematic rifles.

---Obviously less than scientific and a moving number of folks drifting in and out from the Forum... but it does tell a story that has been fairly consistent with other similar polls here.


So to answer the question.... "how many hundreds or thousands of problem free rifles has S&W sold?:" I duknow... but I'd say the number is likely not much higher than 80%.. and perhaps lower during the first 9 months or so after release. Just a guess...


http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-15-22/137830-15-22-owners-poll.html

 

[Rustpot]

I remembered the poll and the rough numbers it had. I was mostly commenting on the general attitude some people have towards the 15-22 in other forums. I didn't mean to direct it towards kenjen specifically.

I've read a lot of comments about it being a plastic toy, costs too much, proprietary magazines for no reason, too light, too many problems, unproven design, large number of broken guns, so on and so forth.

A gun doesn't win Rifle of the Year when it's a roll of the dice whether or not a model coming off the line will self-destruct.