1911 folks

[jlrhiner]

What do you think about this dude?

 

[FoghornLeghorn]

LIKE.

I'm sure the board here would love to see more pics if you have them. hehe

 

[krsmith58]

i'll second that more pics post .

 

[lrrifleman]

Nice old warhorse!

 

[Texas Star]

Probably a mixmaster. Has a 1911 slide on an A-1 frame, and the slide has been modified.

Just so-so condition.

Not of interest to collectors, but probably a good shooter, although the ancient slide may crack sooner than a new one.

I'd rather have a new Springfield Mil-Spec with better steel and heat treating. Or pay the difference and get a new stainless Colt Govt.Model. Never underestimate the value of stainless in a real world carry gun!

 

[tops]

A "real" 1911 or 1911A1 is a thing of pride and a joy to shoot and own. The only one I have left is a "C" I bought new in 1967. I wish I still had a few of the military ones I owned over the years. Larry

 

[824tsv]

Frame serial# looks suspect to me.......

 

[Valmet]

Would need more pics for a real opinion, but it looks kinda off to me. But if you’re happy with it, more power to ya OP

 

[JH1951]

I have one similar with no markings on frame other than the SN.

 

[hardluk1]

jlrhiner Ony thing that matters is if your happy with it . I had one when a number matching model was cheap in the late 70's and sold it a few months later . I don't care to own another picky in accurate ball ammo only handgun even for display only .

 

[OLDSTER]

A photo of the other side will tell a lot. As will photos of the inside of slide and frame.

 

[Daniel Howe]

My Father (the lucky dog) recently pickup one that he can proof was in WWI and who carried it. Asking price was $500. Only thing not original is the hammer, we are still trying to find an original. I would love to have a military 1911 in any shape or condition.

 

[OFT II]

Frame serial# looks suspect to me.......

Yes, the s/n appears to be stamped by hand.

 

[stansdds]

Probably a mixmaster. Has a 1911 slide on an A-1 frame, and the slide has been modified.

Just so-so condition.

Not of interest to collectors, but probably a good shooter, although the ancient slide may crack sooner than a new one.

I'd rather have a new Springfield Mil-Spec with better steel and heat treating. Or pay the difference and get a new stainless Colt Govt.Model. Never underestimate the value of stainless in a real world carry gun!

I agree. This 1911 has been messed with, there is no originality, might just be assembled from a bunch of parts found who knows where. If you don't want to spend a lot of money, I think I would buy a Rock Island Armory 1911 instead.

 

[jlrhiner]

Well, it's not mine, but belongs to a close friend. Unfortunately, he asked me about it after he bought it, not before. (I did tell him that I would dispose of it properly )

The serial number is absolutely hand stamped, and doesn't conform to any I own, have handled or even found during an image search. During a round table over coffee, it was suggested that the original frame was replaced but the original serial number was retained by stamping it by hand. I've never heard of that.

I'm trying to get together with the owner for some better pics.

My "Official Opinion" is its a mixmaster with a forged serial number.

When I can, I'll update.

 

[Big E3]

Along with the odd serial number stamping, it appears that the slide has been modified. The ejection port looks to be lowered and flared.

 

[rockquarry]

What do you think about this dude?

If the gun is tight and was mine, I'd probably replace the recoil spring, put together some cast bullet loads and shoot it, maybe a lot.

 

[Justin T]

Along with the odd serial number stamping, it appears that the slide has been modified. The ejection port looks to be lowered and flared.

If not lowered, certainly flared.

I think maybe there are other 1911’s I would have spent my money on than that one.

 

[stansdds]

That ejection port has been flared and slightly lowered, note the very small radius of the port at the front bottom edge. Those old slides were not hardened, the breech face can become peened after thousands of rounds (personal experience with an early 1920's slide) and they can develop cracks around the ejection port.

 

[Welder1]

My Father (the lucky dog) recently pickup one that he can proof was in WWI and who carried it. Asking price was $500. Only thing not original is the hammer, we are still trying to find an original. I would love to have a military 1911 in any shape or condition.

Love to hear more about this one! Perhaps a thread?

 

[jlrhiner]

Heres some more pics;

I have to say, this is the first time I've ever actually seen an attempt to defraud someone by physically altering a firearm in order to make it more valuable.

Heres what I found;

A 1913 serial number hand stamped on an >1924(a1) frame,
no "G" government acceptance stamps
An arched mainspring housing
Late plastic grips that have been abused
No "Property of US Government" roll stamp on either side
A guide rod installed on the recoil spring

Some good news; it has an early slide, <1924. (Only 4 patent dates instead of 5). The main spring housing has a lanyard ring.

So caveat emptor definitely applies. My friend went for a big ride on this one, $900 for a <$200 gun.

And, as I tell all my friends (and anyone else that will listen) "buy the gun, not the story".

 

[824tsv]

Look at the different cut finger reliefs on either side of the frame and the different shape of the frame tangs on either side of the grip safety and the oblong slide stop hole and appears as though the hammer pin hole is also oblong. It's a mess. Too bad for your friend, but nothing surprises me anymore in this hobby.

 

[M29since14]

...And, as I tell all my friends (and anyone else that will listen) "buy the gun, not the story".

If you’re buying the story, it had better be a good one.

That’s a shame. I’m not sure what your friend can do with that, now that he owns it. I’d guess it would cost $2000 in skilled labor to make a $400 gun of it, so he might as well console himself with the $700-loss and leave it at $200.

 

[jlrhiner]

If you’re buying the story, it had better be a good one.

That’s a shame. I’m not sure what your friend can do with that, now that he owns it. I’d guess it would cost $2000 in skilled labor to make a $400 gun of it, so he might as well console himself with the $700-loss and leave it at $200.

We discussed having it Parkerized or Cera-Koted, and doing some other work on it, (I did ditch the guide rod), but even putting a $300 re-finish on it, it would still be a less than $200 gun. We decided to leave it alone. The slide showed no signs of stress cracks, everything is worn but serviceable. So he's got a classic shooter.

 

[younggun22]

Where’s everybody finding these $200 colt 1911’s at....

 

[Justin T]

Where’s everybody finding these $200 colt 1911’s at....

That gun’s been seriously d***ed with. It’s worth the sum of its parts, and most here are discounting the goofy frame as questionable in its origins..

 

[stansdds]

$900 for that was waaaaaaaay too much. I would certainly not spend any more money on this forgery of a pistol.