1955 COMBAT MASTERPIECE AND +P AMMO

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I have a pre-15 that gets a lot of range time with 112 gr wadcutters and 4.3 gr of Bullseye.It is a very accurate combination. I also have a snubbie(other brand) that I keep loaded with 125 jhp's over 5.3 gr of Bullseye. Also very accurate at 7 to 10 paces.
Would it be accceptable to run an occasional cylinder of the +P 125's through the pre-15? I am thinking about using this gun as a night stand gun and,for defensive purposes, the +P load makes more sense.
 
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S&W advises not to use +Ps in any revolver not Model marked. That would be yours. However, there is really not a lot of difference between that one and one a few years newer. I have one that is about the same age as yours, and I don't hesitate to shoot +Ps in it.
I say go ahead, it should be fine.
Jim
 
Here is my M&P 38 special 4 inch production 1954 and I use Remingtons LSWCHP 158 gr +P #R38S12 in this revolver for defense. I shoot an average of a 100 rounds every two months. The rest the time I shoot target 158 gr round at 750 fps. As long as your revolver is in good condition you should not have a problems.
Regards,
Howard
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Thanks for the comments. I thought it would be OK, you're reassurance confirms it.
 
There is some difference in opinion as to what a +P is isn't there? Somewhere I read like 20,000 psi and a reloading manual says 17,000. So what is it?
 
First off S&W says that their revolvers built without a model number stamped in the yoke area will not be able to handle the pressure of +P's.

On the other side of the coin..........the +P's that the major ammo Companies are currently producing are watered down and not much more potent than the regular stuff is.

What I would suggest is to use Buffalo Bore NON +P 158 grain standard pressure LSWCHP rounds in your older gun. They actually have about 100 feet per second MORE velocity (out of the same gun) than the +P offerings from Remington, Federal & Winchester without the added pressure. They are the best of both worlds and you would then be worry free.

Chief38
 
+P is loaded to 18,500 PSI by Rem, Win and other mainstream makers. Max allowable is 21,500.

+P is a construct, a nonsense term made up to fool people into thinking the ammo was high performance. No factory ammo is actually +P because none of it is loaded higher than max allowable pressure.
 
I totally agree with Saxon, as a marketing gimmick it has worked beyond the ammo companies wildest dreams. They can charge 20-25% more for their product which is never loaded to 21,500.
 
I apologize for reviving this thread but it has kept me thinking since I first read it. I believe that any S&W revolver in good condition is safe to fire ammunition loaded to the SAAMI maximum standards, or accepted industry maximum standards in place for the year it was manufactured. By good condition I mean within headspace, endshake, and possibly rotational lockup allowances. The way I understand it, when a cartridge is fired in a S&W revolver the case expands, gripping the walls of the chamber. Then, the cylinder moves to the rear contacting the rear of the frame causing it to stretch. The frame then contracts, slamming the cylinder forward into the bearing surface on the yoke tube, and forcing the yoke into it's recoil area under the barrel. Also, there is some amount of rotational wear on the cylinder stop. Eventually this produces excess yoke and cylinder endshake, excess headspace, and loose lockup. Commonsense dictates that aluminum frames will exhibit this wear faster than steel frames. I suspect the looser the relationship between the parts, then the faster wear accelerates. When the wear reaches maximum acceptable allowances, we must have the various parts repaired, replaced, or set the gun aside. Barring manufacturing flaws or metal fatigue, S&Ws don't blow up, they shoot loose. Compared to Colts the S&W revolvers are, in my opinion, reasonably inexpensive to repair. Any mechanical device will wear with use. I shoot and maintain my old revolvers and don't worry about ammunition, as long as it is under maximum pressures. Some of us are shooters and some are collectors, I suspect there is room for all under the big tent.
 
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