2.0 M&P 9mm

[robrossk]

I have a 1.0 version in 40SW. It has the APEX kit installed. I also have a 357 sig barrel and recently purchased a Storm Lake 9mm conversion barrel. It is a keeper for me as I can shoot 3 different calibers. The accuracy is good enough for me. I am not concerned with 2 inch groups at 7 yards. I am totally satisfied to get all rounds in 4-8 inches (relatively rapidly) and consider that good enough to down a bad guy (which I hope never happens). I had a 2.0 in 9mm but did not like the rough grip texture. Sold it fairly quickly. Also have a shield 1.0 and 2.0 and considering selling the 2.0 (again the grip texture).

 

[SoCalDep]

My sport rifle has a red dot and with a muzzle brake it is much faster than iron sights for sure. i do believe with lots of practice I can become good with red dot on a pistol but I think the principle is the same as when you draw from apendix carry, your going to keep gun close to your chest while pressing out once you get to eye level while prepping the trigger. I find iron sights are probably much faster than red dot at close distance in fact I would even be willing to bet in an emergency situation one would not even have time to aim and put two hands on the gun.

I have the Sig Romeo 1 and maybe that is just a piece of **** but I just returned it after one outing and I didn't like the red dot at all.

I feel a lot of people who rely on red dot will actually find it more of a detriment than an asset. What if the red dot fails to turn on? and while practice makes perfect under duress can a person deploy and use the proper technique to find the red dot? Instinctively I think most people will be pointing and shooting totally disregarding the iron sights all together.

By the way, do you know anyone using a Sig P226? I heard many bad stories about their finish not lasting, frame cracking after extended use, and I am just not going to spend $1400 on a gun that is not on par with others.

I actually used a Romeo 1 during that Sig Red Dot Instructor class and I found it to be pretty good. I prefer my RMRs, but it worked through the class for over 1,000 rounds.

The same concerns you voiced for the pistol optic could be argued for the rifle... what if it doesn’t turn on? Use the backup iron sights that should be on the pistol (or rifle). I totally understand where you are coming from in terms of shooting at speed but what I think is the problem for most people when they are experimenting with a PMO is that they come into it with the mindset of an iron sight shooter and all the bias and habits that brings. Shooting a dot is a different thing, and re-learning can be hard... That means experienced shooters can have a tougher time, but it does NOT mean that shooting a dot isn’t better. It means we have to put our paradigm to the test. I did and I find the dot to be, frankly... Cheating.

I understand that you were frustrated with your results with a PMO, but one range session isn’t enough time to truly give anything a real try. I’m not saying you should give it another shot. Iron sights work, have worked, and will continue to work. I will still shoot iron sight guns as well. I’m only suggesting you temper your own experiences with the dot based on the limited exposure and lack of proper training that came with it.

Speaking of proper training... That’s something that hasn’t been available until recently, and I expect it to grow, but I think it’s a big deal with a PMO, especially for those who are very experienced with iron sights. If you or anyone is interested in giving a PMO a try I would highly suggest budgeting a class from a reputable PMO/pistol red dot instructor along with the cost of the optic/gun/holster/everything else... otherwise all those expenses may go to waste when you feel they don’t work.

 

[Frank46]

Just bought a M&P 2.0 in 9mm. one thing is the rear sight is slanted backwards. In other words the top of the sight is slanted towards the shooter. And because of this I have trouble picking out the two white dots to align with the white dot on the front sight. Like the different grip adaptors so you can adjust your grip. Even with the arthritus I can easily rack the slide. That was one of the reasons I bought it. And the slide stop lock if I remember right wasn't painted all that well. You have to push it down out of the way of the slide before you engage the takedown lever. Mine did not come with the safety so back to the dealer to trade it in for one that does. My 1911's,Beretta 92FS,two sigs ok they have decocking levers,browning high power and a bunch of other semi autos ALL have safetys. Wonder why this particular model does not?.And the grip adaptors feel good in the hands, I believe someone mentioned that the sharpness of the dots for want of a better term would allow the pistol to print. I put on a black shirt and asked my wife if she could see an outline of the pistol. No she could not. I stand 5'11" and weigh 330lbs And I'm not going to wear one of the neon hawiaian shirts to further test it out. Frank

 

[Chief Wiggums]

try it , before you buy it...
readily available from just about any LGS

I own a 2.0 9mm sku 11688 / Compact
it replaced my Shield as a CC firearm
the trigger on the 2.0 is much better , very fluid...
the standard equipped sites are perfect for me
I have zero plans for modifications as this gun is a winner , and priced vs my others , the best gun that I own

It has also replaced my PX4 Storm Compact as my EDC

 

[DonD]

It’s not normal because I don’t treat my guns normal. Do you shoot somewhere between 5,000 - 15,000 rounds without cleaning? I do. Sometimes I do 40,000 rounds to see what happens. I also throw guns in puddles, bury them in mud, and spray them with salt water solution to see what happens.

I’m also a certified M&P 2.0 Armorer. The only thing that was necessary to return the pistol to proper function was a decent (albeit pain in the butt because it was so dirty) cleaning.

No, I certainly don't shoot anything near the number of rounds you mention and that explains things.

How many rounds have you fired out of one M&P? Thanks, Don

 

[SoCalDep]

No, I certainly don't shoot anything near the number of rounds you mention and that explains things.

How many rounds have you fired out of one M&P? Thanks, Don

I think that one gun with ~40,000 is the highest. I tend to switch way more often than I should. I have a bit over 35,000 through a single Beretta 92FS and over 20,000 through my main training 1911. I have fewer rounds through a bunch of guns, primarily M&Ps, Berettas, 1911s, and Glocks. I’m trying to stick to M&P 2.0s and my 5” is getting close to 20,000, though I only keep a very rough estimate.

Some of my partners who stick to the M&P have well over 100K rounds through their 5” 2.0s and 1.0 range guns.

I am very fortunate to work at a training facility where I have the requirement and ability to shoot a lot.

 

[noro]

Following the OP's post, and opinions but we seem to have gotten
off topic. The OP asked about #11521. He asked about the stock
version. Although the 1.0 is a great pistol, the 2.0 (IMHO) is
much better. It performs great right out of the box. If the OP
is looking for a full size, 17 round pistol, this is the one. Needs
no aftermarket parts (expensive) or tweeking. A lot of folks
like to tweek, and I get that. If the stock version is so bad, I
would think S&W would have improved it, rather than give a potential market away to the aftermarket sellers. The complaints about the 1.0 were answered with the 2.0 version.

DonD -
Regarding the mag loader, you're sure entitled to your opinion.
The Ruger mag loader will work well at 1/4 of the price of an
Uplula ($8.00+ vs 32.00+) The point I was trying to make is
that S&W mag springs are very stiff and almost impossible to load by hand. You pretty much need a loader to load the mags. I have both, but the Uplula is sooo much better.

 

[Jayhawkhuntclub]

Meant in this context >>> A serious shooter will likely be disappointed. A beginner/casual shooter may not know any better. If they were selling new M&P9 1.0s for $200 I probably wouldn’t buy one. To each, his own. For me, I’ve had my fill.

Fair enough. And I agree, to each his own.

 

[Farmer17]

I think my M&P 1.0 .40 and Shield 1.0 9m/m are darn near perfect for defensive weapons. The triggers are a tiny bit heavy but that probably makes it a little safer in a hostile, high stress situation and if the trigger internals were polished a bit that would probably be a little better, but it's not a target gun and I can easily hit an 8 inch plate at 25 yards with either gun. I've see 1.0 M&P .40 cop trade-in guns in good condition for $280 and brand new 1.0 Shields for $200 after rebate which is an incredible bargain and don’t really see the need to pay nearly double the money for a new 2.0 pistol.