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Looks like the bodyguard is as good as the person who's hands it is in!
Wow!
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS4p8j87EdA[/ame]
Wow!
[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS4p8j87EdA[/ame]
200 yard shot...with a Bodyguard 380!
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ParadiseRoad
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Walt Sherrill
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The old saying is "it's not the arrow, it's the indian..." but I think it's actually both.
The video shows some great shots by an great shooter. No matter how good the ammo and gun, a mediocre shooter isn't going to hit the target, except by accident.
The video shows some great shots by an great shooter. No matter how good the ammo and gun, a mediocre shooter isn't going to hit the target, except by accident.
357-RevolverGuy
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I just don't get the whole shooting a gun upside down phenomena (2nd video). Someone at a range I visit was doing this with a Desert Eagle and I just shook my head. I think it's cool to shoot a J frame accurately at 200 yds but why does upside down even matter? Seems unsafe.
Upside down is the new sideways?
So much for all the negative comments on the internet, on how this gun is not accurate. Maybe it's just crappy shooters.
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Rastoff
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Jump to 12:40 to see the shot.
It's a tiny .380Auto, anyone that expects bullseye accuracy or a match trigger has purchased the wrong gun.
Actually, it validates those comments. According to Jerry, this gun was hitting to the right. Obviously the further out you go the worse this will be.
It's a tiny .380Auto, anyone that expects bullseye accuracy or a match trigger has purchased the wrong gun.
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The way I've seen it described, there are two different factors involved in how a gun hits what it's aimed at: precision (which controls the gun's innate consistency when used) and accuracy (which addresses how the gun and the shooter work together.)
Please feel free to offer a different explanation -- as I'm not stuck on this one -- but it does make sense to me.
A gun that demonstrates good precision will, when shot from a Ransom Rest, put all of it's shots in a very small group. The human factors (such as grip, use of the trigger, breathing, attention), aren't at play. A semi-auto that doesn't consistently lock up won't do well in a Ransom Rest, and it also won't hit where even the best shooter points it; but a shooter with good technique will likely have better results than a less skilled shooter. (Keep in mind that Ransom Rest tests don't involve using the sights; it just about the gun sending the bullet to the same place with each shot.)
If a gun demonstrates good precision, its trigger can be crappy, for example, but a good shooter can still get good results. I have a friend who is uncanny in this regard: I don't care what the gun is, he'll always shoot it better than anyone else!
A gun that can consistently hit the point of aim at great distances is clearly precise -- but will show that precision only if the person using it uses proper technique.
Some of the guns discussed in this topic are clearly precise, but many of us can't do our part as well as we should.
Please feel free to offer a different explanation -- as I'm not stuck on this one -- but it does make sense to me.
A gun that demonstrates good precision will, when shot from a Ransom Rest, put all of it's shots in a very small group. The human factors (such as grip, use of the trigger, breathing, attention), aren't at play. A semi-auto that doesn't consistently lock up won't do well in a Ransom Rest, and it also won't hit where even the best shooter points it; but a shooter with good technique will likely have better results than a less skilled shooter. (Keep in mind that Ransom Rest tests don't involve using the sights; it just about the gun sending the bullet to the same place with each shot.)
If a gun demonstrates good precision, its trigger can be crappy, for example, but a good shooter can still get good results. I have a friend who is uncanny in this regard: I don't care what the gun is, he'll always shoot it better than anyone else!
A gun that can consistently hit the point of aim at great distances is clearly precise -- but will show that precision only if the person using it uses proper technique.
Some of the guns discussed in this topic are clearly precise, but many of us can't do our part as well as we should.
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In this case, upside down is not a stunt it's a necessity. You'd probably have to do this holding it upside down. With a normal grip the holdover would be so much the gun would block the view of the target. All you'd see is gun and sky. Holding it upside down allows you to judge the holdover.
Of course they didn't show you how much he practiced for this, or how many tries it took to get a "first shot" hit for the video.
Of course they didn't show you how much he practiced for this, or how many tries it took to get a "first shot" hit for the video.
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Don't think it validates those comments at all. He stated that he was firing the gun "right out of the box". I doubt S&W is sighting them in at 100yds, thus, hitting to the right is not an indictment on the gun.
The way I've seen it described, there are two different factors involved in how a gun hits what it's aimed at: precision (which controls the gun's innate consistency when used) and accuracy (which addresses how the gun and the shooter work together.)
Please feel free to offer a different explanation -- as I'm not stuck on this one -- but it does make sense to me.
A gun that demonstrates good precision will, when shot from a Ransom Rest, put all of it's shots in a very small group. The human factors (such as grip, use of the trigger, breathing, attention), aren't at play. A semi-auto that doesn't consistently lock up won't do well in a Ransom Rest, and it also won't hit where even the best shooter points it; but a shooter with good technique will likely have better results than a less skilled shooter. (Keep in mind that Ransom Rest tests don't involve using the sights; it just about the gun sending the bullet to the same place with each shot.)
If a gun demonstrates good precision, its trigger can be crappy, for example, but a good shooter can still get good results. I have a friend who is uncanny in this regard: I don't care what the gun is, he'll always shoot it better than anyone else!
A gun that can consistently hit the point of aim at great distances is clearly precise -- but will show that precision only if the person using it uses proper technique.
Some of the guns discussed in this topic are clearly precise, but many of us can't do our part as well as we should.
Well then, a gun that consistently pulls to the right can still be considered precise, as long as the shots are in a very tight group? This goes back to my comment about a good shooter and crappy shooters. A good shooter will make the adjustments and hit his target even if the gun tends to pull to the right.
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Exactly. That is why guns are made with movable sights. (Of course, one that shoots WAY, WAY to the left or right, up or down, needs adjustment or modification. I'm trying to be realistic and practical.) If it's too far off, moving the sights might not work.
When they use a Ransom Rest to evaluate a weapon's precision, they don't line up the sights with each shot -- maybe just the first one to get it on paper. Then they're just seeing where subsequent shots go. And RR has a lever on it that takes out the human factor (of a poor trigger pull). And if the group is small, and you like the gun, you adjust the sights, etc.
Jerry hitting a 1000 yard shot with a 929 is a bit like magic.
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Its exhibition shooting, he calls it a "stunt" in the video.
The best reason I saw for shooting holding it upside down, was a trainer from Sig, and he was making the point about not getting hung up on grip and stance, and be natural. He shot it upside down and standing on 1 foot...the proper grip and stance discussion ends. He was obviously clear that a good stance and grip are important, but what feels natural and comfortable is an important part of both.
Bkreutz
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This just proves my belief that Jerry is an alien. (the outer space kind, not the cross the border kind) 
Ranger17
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all I know is that if i'm trying to focus on the front sight of my MP, no dang way I'm seeing anything at 200 yards ...... but give me a case of ammo and a few hours and by accident I'd sure hope to hit the target at least once lol
as I get more into this hobby of mine, seeing guys/gals who are truly great shots amazes the heck out of me
as I get more into this hobby of mine, seeing guys/gals who are truly great shots amazes the heck out of me
TANKLEGACY
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Its absolutely possible...I hit a 100yds with my snub nose .357 with a 1.87" barrel
...so its totally possible with a 2.75" barrel.
...so its totally possible with a 2.75" barrel.
gman51
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I don't believe this video. If and I say if he really did hit it I just wonder how many takes it took to luck out and hit the target? Sorry I don't buy it.
I saw on TV that the word gullible isn't even in the dictionary.
I saw on TV that the word gullible isn't even in the dictionary.
