22 A Questions

todd51

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One of my friends had his S&W 22A at the range yesterday and there were a couple issues resulting in questions none of us had a factual answer for. I don't have any experience with the 22A but told them I would make a post and see if some of folks here could contribute. Thanks for taking the time.

First issue is that he had dropped the pistol off at a local gun smith to see if the smith could correct a problem with loading. The pistol refuses to load the second round of a fulling loaded ten round magazine. The first cartridge loads fine and the second will not. All the rest of the cartridges in the mag will load with out problem. If the mag (and this happens with both of his mags) is loaded with only nine rounds no problems at all. When I looked at what was happening it appeared that second round was not rising up all the way into the lips of the mag. The smith had no solutions to the problem either but admitted he had never worked on one before. Have any of you experienced this problem or have any suggestions that might lead to a solution. Ammo used was CCI Mini Mag 40gr. RN and Federal bulk 36gr. HP. A change of ammo made no difference.

The second question arises from the gun smith telling him the pistol had been dry fired and he had to hone the chamber and breach face and warned the owner never to dry fire the pistol. Again I am not familiar with these pistols. I have been under the impression that most of the modern .22 rimfire guns could be safely dry fired but I am not taking about dry fire practice which I don't recommend but all the semi auto guns I have you have to periodically dry fire to un-cock for disassembly or simply to release the spring for storage. Is it really unsafe to dry fire the 22 A for any reason? Don't you have to dry fire it to take it down for cleaning and maintenance? While I don't do dry fire practice with my .22s I do dry fire my Marlin 60, Ruger 10/22, and Ruger MK III occasionally in the normal use of them and when cleaning and storing.

Thanks again for your consideration.
 
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For the first issue, try a new recoil spring and a new magazine.

For the second issue, yes it is bad to dry fire .22s. Now there are some exceptions out there, but as a rule of thumb, do not dry fire rimfire guns. Dry firing a rimfire will lead to damage on the breech face that your gunsmith pointed out and offered to fix.
 
I follow the manufacturer's instructions. None of the .22 semi-autos I own require a dry fire for takedown.

Read your owner's manual:

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/other/22A_22S.pdf

Also, consult the S&W FAQ:

Q: Can I dry fire my Smith & Wesson?

A: Yes, except for the .22 caliber pistols which includes models 22A, 22S, 422, 2206, 2214, 2213 and 41.

.22 caliber revolvers such as models 17, 43, 63, 317 and 617 also should not be dry fired.
 
For issue #1 I have had similar problems with hollow points. The mags in the picture the one in the front doesn't have the problem. The mag in the back of the picture hangs up with hollow points. Note the square cuts in the mags. The front mag has a small fold between the square cuts. The rear mag doesn't and is the mag that hangs up.

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Issue #2 Do not dry fire a rimfire firearm. If you must dry fire load the chamber with an empty rimfire case. The empty keeps the firing pin from striking the chamber when you dry fire.
 
Sorry for my ignorance but I don't have a S&W rim fire pistol and was going on my experience with my Ruger MK III which states in the disassembly instructions:

"Place the safety in the off (F) position. Point the pistol in a safe direction and pull the trigger to be sure the hammer has fallen. The hammer must be uncocked before the pistol can be disassembled."

This doesn't harm the Ruger and I don't mean any thing against the S&W.

So in my ignorance I "assumed" the Smith was the same way.
 
Thanks 625. I remember seeing one of those small folds in at least one of the magazines but I wasn't looking for them. I will have the gun owner check both mags.
 
The owner's manual for my 22a1 states never to dry fire the weapon. Unlike the Ruger Mark III that I have, which can be dry fired, you do not need to dry fire prior to disassembly. For practice with my 22a1 I use snap caps when dry firing.
 
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