22 Jet consistency question

[tom32]

For those people who have chronographed their Jet loads, what kind of extreme spreads do you get? I measure the powder load in all my Jet reloads one at a time by hand and the absolute best uniformity I get is an ES of around 100 fps. Most of the time it is in the 150-220 fps ES range. The factory ammo is always between 75 to 95 fps so I know the capabilities.

I have tried all different kinds of powder/primer combinations and have now started to analyze the other components. All I can find for bullets that work are the Hornady .222 jet bullets and Sierra .223 40 gr Hornet bullets. Since the factory ammo is cannelured I was wondering if that contributed toward consistency, especially if something like H110 were to be used.
I was wondering if anyone put cannelures on their bullets? I have a cannelure machine and have cannelured a few of the Sierras but have yet to load any.

My reloads shoot fairly well at 25 yards but I want to work this out before I go any farther.

I would love to come across some Remington factory bullets but have never seen any for sale.

Any long time Jet loaders have any sage advice?

 

[W.N.H.]

53 Jet

I have been loading for 60+ years. I have had my jet since early 60,s using R&P ammo. I have about 150 rounds left out of 1000 rounds. I am loading at this time for the Jet, it may be a few days as my Wife says I am OCD . I will be on the chono in the AM. If I can find this area again I will let you know what I find. My use of a computer is bad at its best. W.N.H. @ [email protected] Try my E mail if I get lost.

 

[GM4spd]

I have not reloaded jet ammo since the 70s but I gotta say
I could not get the accuracy any better then factory loaded
stuff(which I think is too hot).These days I only use 22LR
ammo via inserts and I can get very good with most brands,
certainly better then I ever got with Jet ammo and it doesn't
ruin the barrel.Pete

 

[planojack]

I've loaded several Jets over the years and found the trickiest part to be case length. After many problems, I trim all cases to less than minimum. The slightest hint of impingement of the cases into the chamber neck will play hell with your loads. Give it a try.

 

[Nevada Ed]

Short cases and the longest .223 bullet at maximum OAL might just be the ticket since cannelure bullets are not available....................( in my search )

Per post 8 & 10
Holly molly where did you guys find those bullets ?
I can't find Remington bullets any where in town, let alone the net.
Glad to see someone is having luck with a few bullets to load.

 

[W.N.H.]

Sorry to hot on Tuesday.1699,1694,1629. R&P case at 1275/cci 550/13.5 4227/40 Gr. sierra hornet set at 1667. Only thing I may do different is to us a H.S. #1 drill to deburr the flash hole. A 7/32 will also work. How do they get the fps they say,most of sierras match the fps I get on my 06/,6.5 mag 243,308 etc? Will be shooting in A.M. and wait 30 min. with the gun out of the heat between shots. hope this helps some. W.N.H.

 

[rburg]

One of our posters, Dave Keith, has resorted to resizing his bullets. Apparently he owns or has access to a machine shop and he's just made a die to push .223 and .224 bullets down to .222. He says its not moving that much metal and the bullets just move through the die. I assume he lubes them to get that result.

I've got a bunch of Remington factory Jets. I've been buying them for years when I see them. Recently I've been seeing them for $50 a box, a real drop from the past. But I also agree they're too hot for much shooting. I use H110 and don't load anywhere near maximum. Its still way to loud to use without muffs. What I used to find was a partial box of Jet ammo with the empties still in the foam. I harvested those along with any I'd shot for my reloads. From time to time I even found sealed bags of Remington brass at the gun shows. Somewhere, lost in my piles, is a nice little stack of 5 boxes of bullets. Guess I need to figure out where they are. I've also found boxes of Jet bullets on private tables. Its one of those things you don't question, you just buy them when you see them.

One of the things I don't understand are the shooters who seem to hate the caliber without ever having one. You can usually identify them because all of us who have them love them.

 

[tom32]

I just finished this partial box. I'm going to try them with a moderate load of H110 and see if the cannelure and a firm crimp can shrink the extreme spread. If that doesn't work I think I will move to 2400 and IMR4227.

 

[W.N.H.]

sorry about no data today. last night it was 108 at 10 pm. we live about 25 miles west of Phx. and run about 5 degrees more than the airport. we are up against a mountain on 20 acres and it wont cool off. at this time we read 123 in the patio. please keep informed. W.N.H.

 

[perrazi]

been loading these since 74. Remington bullets are the best, but for me next best is sierra .223 40gr. hornet. never have gotten great accuracy out of the hornady bullets. I feel that they are too short. if you look at an orginal Remington,they are long for their weight and have a crimp groove. try 2400,4227 and 296-h110. I use mag small pistol primers or remington or federal sm rifle primers. some guns seem to shoot one or other better.have loaded for around 25 different jets over the years. my normal play load is starting load of hs-6.

 

[tom32]

Well I tried WW 296 at 10.0 grains with CCI 550's. ES right at 200 fps, average velocity was 1339 fps. Temp was 80 degrees. Primers were rounded and cases were sooty on the outside. Not enough pressure to seal the case if I am reading them right. Will move on to 2400 next.

 

[perrazi]

9gr. is a good start load. some loading books go up to 11gr. but I wouldn't. you will get sticking cases if you do. usually have to hammer them out, besides the newest of the guns is almost 40yrs old now. jet specific parts are becoming a problem,hammers,bbls,cylinders hard to come by. kkep in mind in these smaller cases, a little difference in powder charge or primer change will make a big difference in pressures.

 

[W.N.H.]

7 a.m. and its 100 outside wont be any shots today. But I do need help. have been loading since the 60,s but only had a chrono for a year. testing my rifles was easy because they all have scopes and poi was easy to keep at 2 in. over the sensors . with a hand gun not so easy. question is how much do the readings vary if you are having a poi over the sensors that veries 2-7 inches. Thank You W.N.H.

 

[GM4spd]

Well I tried WW 296 at 10.0 grains with CCI 550's. ES right at 200 fps, average velocity was 1339 fps. Temp was 80 degrees. Primers were rounded and cases were sooty on the outside. Not enough pressure to seal the case if I am reading them right. Will move on to 2400 next.

Curious about avg velocity,is your Jet a 6"? Also for those
with a conograph,any velocity numbers with 22lr? I only
shoot LR in my 53s and recently I have gotten excellent
accuracy results with Remington 22Vipers! Don't know why
but would love to know velocity from an 8-3/8" barrel.The
other accuracy 22 was CCI standard velocity( which I only
use in my 41). By contrast CCI Stingers not as good accuracy.
Pete

 

[Smithhound]

A few months back I acquired a pristine Jet with 8 3/8" barrel, it took awhile to gather components for it but I've finally rounded up around 1500 cases and a goodly amount of bullets for it. Last night I finished pulling the last of 600 Remington bullets out of what may or may not have been factory ammo. Not in original boxes and the primers were nickle washed and not the copper/zinc wash that are on a box of what I know to be factory ammo. Since I didn't know and didn't want to take the chance of shooting old reloads (someone elses) in this gun I pulled them.
It was a PITA but it is done, now I've got 600 original cannelured Remington bullets to play with, and a bunch of Sierrra and Hornady's.
Also, if I can get a break in the weather and time I've got a Lyman mould for Jet bullets, I'm planning on casting some out of pure linotype and a bit softer to see what I can do with these. This is a GC design and I'm hoping to push them out to around 1200fps. I'm not interested in ultra high velocity, rather have accuracy.
One of the above posters mentioned case length being critical and I've found this to be true in any caliber. This little one would probably be very sensitive to random case lengths, so now to the trimmer and deburring the flash holes.
I've managed to buy cases and bullets, but if anyone knows where I can buy extra time please let me know. 24 hours in a day is just not enough.
RD

 

[nutsforsmiths]

I have a Jet with a 4" barrel which I have been reloading now for about 6 years. I seem to get good accuracy with it using the Hornady Jet bullets, Federal or CCI small pistol magnum primers and 11.5 grains of IMR 4227. When I first purchased the pistol in the 1990s I shot reloads made by Old Western Scrounger out of it. These loads were very accurate and a lot louder then my reloads. I have never shot Remington factory loads.

If I am reloading with once fired brass, I drop the charge down to 9 grains. If I put the 11.5 grain change in once fired brass, it makes it a real challenge ejecting the empty cases.

I don't shoot my Jet that often any more since I don't want to ruin it. As said before, these pistols are getting older and parts are getting harder to find. Instead I have a T/C Contender with a Jet barrel that I shoot quite a bit. I can even reload the once fired brass with the 11.5 grain recipe, as the single shot T/C has no problems ejecting the empties.

I don't own a chrono, but would be interested to find out what the fps is from my 4" compared to my T/C 10" barrel.

 

[tom32]

Curious about avg velocity,is your Jet a 6"? Also for those
with a conograph,any velocity numbers with 22lr? I only
shoot LR in my 53s and recently I have gotten excellent
accuracy results with Remington 22Vipers! Don't know why
but would love to know velocity from an 8-3/8" barrel.The
other accuracy 22 was CCI standard velocity( which I only
use in my 41). By contrast CCI Stingers not as good accuracy.
Pete

I am shooting a 6" no dash Model 53.
I haven't chrono'd 22 LR from my gun.
For perspective, on three different occasions I have tested factory ammo whose ten shot strings were 1759 fps @ 50 degrees, 1741 fps @ 70 degrees, and 1718 fps @ 80 degrees. I thought I read somewhere that the older green box ammo was even hotter?

 

[perrazi]

tom32- was the factory ammo you shot the green and yellow boxes? the older green box stuff is a little faster but can be awfully sticky in some guns. think that is what they dropped it back a bit in the later ammo. believe this was last loaded by Remington in the early 80's and the discontinued in 84.

 

[tom32]

Yes, what I was shooting was in the green and yellow boxes. They shoot well in my gun and there are no extraction problems but I use them sparingly both because of limited stash and I didn't know if they were barrel burners.

 

[gjn11]

22 Jet

I have a 8 3/8" and have run into the same problem with high standard deviations. Recently tried several loads using Hornady 40 bullets with CCI-550 primers. Results are 10 shot strings shot over an Oehler 35 and individually weighed each powder charge.
10.3 grains of H-110 average velocity-1643 extreme spread-340 standard deviation-100.
7 grains of HS-6 average velocity-1645 extreme spread-372 standard deviation-106.
12.8 IMR-4227 average velocity-1740 extreme spread-138 standard deviation-47